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25 Years on from the biggest terrorist attack and Iran still funding proxies

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REMEMBERthemALL · 11/09/2026 18:45

Thinking of the family and friends of all those killed 25 years ago. So many brave stories told. Evil will not win.

25 years ago the biggest terrorist attack.

These terrorists that would destroy freedom and democracy still killing around the world. The fight against those that would attempt to destroy democracy and freedom goes on. They operate around the world, mainly funded by Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, ISIS, and all the other extremist islamist organisations ( so many of them operate in the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere).

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REMEMBERthemALL · 13/09/2026 08:58

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 06:37

Mumsnet is a UK site and in the UK Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations not "freedom fighters".

The UK government have also designated the IRGC as a national security threat and banned support for the organization

It's sad that some westerners hate the west so much they express support for terrorism and believe they are freedom fighters. Do freedom fighters rape and kidnap. They are vile individuals.

Deluded people think terrorists like Hamas, the Houthis etc actually help their own people, they don't, they steal money given in aid, to keep the organisation's leadership wealthy (masses of evidence on Hamas leadership weath abroad) and treat their own people as disposable, also slaughtering any opposition to their leadership ( as Hamas did immediately the conflict ceased).

Perhaps it's self loathing of the west? Flagelation?

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REMEMBERthemALL · 13/09/2026 08:53

RedTagAlan · 13/09/2026 05:55

You just posted this, quote " Surely you have read something of the aims of religious islamist extremists --- kill infidels, as in non believers and spread their extremist version of Islam. "

But this is what I asked : "When you say they hate the freedoms in the west, and want to destroy it, can you explain why ?"

And you have not explained why. You are basically saying, "google it", or "do your own research."

You then post what looks likes to be a US DHS summary of links to risks, but nothing in that summary covers the proposition in the post I was replying to. This

" REMEMBERthemALL · Yesterday 02:25
These same Islamic terrorists still have the same aim to destroy the West.
Yes they do. They hate the freedom we enjoy. We can speak out. Don't have to bow down to extremist doctrine. They hate that we will not be controlled, as they control so many, in their various areas of operation."

Instead, the list you give has a list of organizations that are separate and have different aims. The only thing they have in common is that they share the same religious base. There is a lot of conflation and lumping together going on here, with a giant leap to a conclusion that is in no way proven.

For example. your cut and paste mentions the Pakistan TTP. But their thing is region specific. Because it is tribal, against the Pakistan Government. Their aims are specific. Yet they are lumped into the " they hate the west" thing, as if they are about to bomb Aberdeen train station, because "they hate western freedoms". But that is simply not the case. The TTP have a specific regional cause. They are not bombing Pakistan yelling " The whole world should be Islamic".

This is why I asked what I did. Why do they hate the west etc, as that poster claimed.

We really should have learned from the second Iraq war. When Bush lumped Saddam Hussein in with Bin Laden "as hating the west". Because those two people I actually strongly disliked each other. And as other posters have said, Bin Laden was aligned with the religion in Saudi Arabia.

As @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack posted above :"Unfortunately for them, it looks like Trump might get there first."

That is very true IMO. And we see it when Trump does this conflation and concludes THEY HATE THE WEST, too many people are just parroting that instead of asking him to explain it. Indeed, his response to anyone questioning it is for him to say it is ones PATRIOTIC DUTY to believe it. That all Islam hates the west. Vance is worse, he goes on about the great replacement. But no problem they say. They claim to be able to fix it. Just vote for them. And give them enough votes, and they will sort it so the Non Patriots won't be able to vote.

The freedom of women in the west. I'll keep it simple for you. Compare the freedom of women in the west to the restrictions on women in say Afghanistan etc. There is no comparison. As I said they love to have their extremist doctrine spread throughout the world. The ideology wants to spread, kill infidels and spread radical islam.

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ArtieChoke · 13/09/2026 06:47

Orangeyoucan · 12/09/2026 08:31

Why do so many on the left immediately resort to making petty insults about someone’s intelligence when they have nothing better to contribute?

the comment was in reply to an ignorant comment that just didn’t make sense to the context of what was written

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 06:37

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Mumsnet is a UK site and in the UK Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organisations not "freedom fighters".

The UK government have also designated the IRGC as a national security threat and banned support for the organization

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 06:33

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We do enjoy democratic privileges here in the UK that Iranians don't.

For example, easy cheap access to the internet and the freedom to criticise our government as much as we want without fear of violent retribution.

Cynergy · 13/09/2026 06:27

WarthogWoman · 12/09/2026 05:29

And the USA is still funding proxies doing awful things

Why immediately jump to change the subject from Iran funding proxies? That is what the thread is about. There are other anti US/anti Trump threads if you want to talk about that.

RedTagAlan · 13/09/2026 05:55

REMEMBERthemALL · 12/09/2026 20:13

China don't have religious extremist terrorists attacking westerners.

Surely you have read something of the aims of religious islamist extremists --- kill infidels, as in non believers and spread their extremist version of Islam. They have managed to spread extremist Islam through Africa. Most of the terrorist threats around the world are from islamist extremists. Good grief look at how the Taliban treat women and girls, and no they west didn't make them treat women and girls that way, its their interpretation of Islam so women shouldn't be educated after 12, women shouldn't x and shouldn't do y. Appalling and not the fault of the West at all. The fault is with their teachings.

"Major Global Terrorist GroupsIslamic State (IS): Remains the world's deadliest terrorist organization, directing and inspiring attacks through a dispersed network of global affiliates and regional branches. [1] (www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/global-terrorism-index/), [2] (abcnews.com/US/federal-bulletin-issued-ahead-911-anniversary-warns-foreign/story?id=136350316)Jamaat Nusrat Al-Islam wal Muslimeen (JNIM): A primary Al-Qaeda affiliate driving high levels of violence and instability across West Africa. [1] (reliefweb.int/report/world/global-terrorism-index-2026), [2] (reliefweb.int/report/world/global-terrorism-index-2024)Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP): Identified as one of the fastest-growing and most active militant groups, significantly increasing attacks in South Asia. [1] (www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Global-Terrorism-Index-2026-Report.pdf), [2] (www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/global-terrorism-index/)Al-Shabaab: Continues to pose a severe regional and international security threat centered primarily in East Africa. [1] (www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Global-Terrorism-Index-2026-Report.pdf)Key Global Threat EpicentersThe Sahel Region: Sub-Saharan Africa and the central Sahel remain the global epicenter of terrorism, accounting for over half of all global terrorism deaths. [1] (www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/global-terrorism-index/), [2] (reliefweb.int/report/world/global-terrorism-index-2024)Concentration of Conflict: Nearly 70 percent of all global deaths from terrorism are concentrated in just a handful of severely conflict-affected nations, including Burkina Faso, Pakistan, Nigeria, Niger, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. [1] (www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Global-Terrorism-Index-2026-Report.pdf)The West and Europe: Intelligence assessments and global indices note rising threat levels and increased attack plotting in Western countries, frequently fueled by localized cells, anti-government ideologies, and fallout from ongoing Middle Eastern conflicts. [1] (reliefweb.int/report/world/global-terrorism-index-2025), [2] (www.visionofhumanity.org/maps/global-terrorism-index/), [3] (https://abcnews.com/US/federal-bulletin-issued-ahead-911-anniversary-warns-foreign/story?id=136350316)"

Certain left leaners would suggest all these problems were the fault of the west and tge fluffy misunderstood freedom fighters were our fault. Always discounting them from any agency over their actions

You just posted this, quote " Surely you have read something of the aims of religious islamist extremists --- kill infidels, as in non believers and spread their extremist version of Islam. "

But this is what I asked : "When you say they hate the freedoms in the west, and want to destroy it, can you explain why ?"

And you have not explained why. You are basically saying, "google it", or "do your own research."

You then post what looks likes to be a US DHS summary of links to risks, but nothing in that summary covers the proposition in the post I was replying to. This

" REMEMBERthemALL · Yesterday 02:25
These same Islamic terrorists still have the same aim to destroy the West.
Yes they do. They hate the freedom we enjoy. We can speak out. Don't have to bow down to extremist doctrine. They hate that we will not be controlled, as they control so many, in their various areas of operation."

Instead, the list you give has a list of organizations that are separate and have different aims. The only thing they have in common is that they share the same religious base. There is a lot of conflation and lumping together going on here, with a giant leap to a conclusion that is in no way proven.

For example. your cut and paste mentions the Pakistan TTP. But their thing is region specific. Because it is tribal, against the Pakistan Government. Their aims are specific. Yet they are lumped into the " they hate the west" thing, as if they are about to bomb Aberdeen train station, because "they hate western freedoms". But that is simply not the case. The TTP have a specific regional cause. They are not bombing Pakistan yelling " The whole world should be Islamic".

This is why I asked what I did. Why do they hate the west etc, as that poster claimed.

We really should have learned from the second Iraq war. When Bush lumped Saddam Hussein in with Bin Laden "as hating the west". Because those two people I actually strongly disliked each other. And as other posters have said, Bin Laden was aligned with the religion in Saudi Arabia.

As @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack posted above :"Unfortunately for them, it looks like Trump might get there first."

That is very true IMO. And we see it when Trump does this conflation and concludes THEY HATE THE WEST, too many people are just parroting that instead of asking him to explain it. Indeed, his response to anyone questioning it is for him to say it is ones PATRIOTIC DUTY to believe it. That all Islam hates the west. Vance is worse, he goes on about the great replacement. But no problem they say. They claim to be able to fix it. Just vote for them. And give them enough votes, and they will sort it so the Non Patriots won't be able to vote.

ToWhitToWhoo · 13/09/2026 00:20

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Oh come ON! I have no time for Trump or Netanyahu but how can you say that Hamas are not terrorists, when they kidnapped, raped and murdered hundreds of innocent civilians? (And no, that DOESN'T excuse what Netanyahu et al have done to Gaza.)

Iran are not themselves terrorists, but they fund terrorism, and are a brutal regime to their own people. (And, no, that DOESN'T excuse Trump's war,)

vintermadness · 12/09/2026 23:45

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Neither Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah are terrorists. They are fighting against forces that are doing a lot of harm to their own people. Freedom fighters.

Supporting Hamas and Hezbollah is illegal. Hamas murdered raped and killed civilians, Hezbollah are dedicated to wiping out an entire country.

LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 22:55

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Report away.

marlboro · 12/09/2026 22:53

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LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 22:52

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Then you can't read. Not my problem.

marlboro · 12/09/2026 22:51

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LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 22:47

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Stick to the ciggies. You clearly know nothing about meds. Nite.

marlboro · 12/09/2026 22:47

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LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 22:46

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Oh I forgot. It's that time of night.

marlboro · 12/09/2026 22:45

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LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 22:44

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Embarrassing.

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They aren't two different things at all. You are just ignorant on zionism and its strands. Your name calling gives you away. You ARE the racist.

marlboro · 12/09/2026 22:42

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Dracolina · 12/09/2026 22:42

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 12/09/2026 22:34

You're wrong to think that I consider democracy to be a simple binary whereby you either live in a democracy or you don't. It's a spectrum.

And in any case, I suspect that you didn't really engage with what was in my post.

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What are you evne talking about? I literally just said "people like you who think you live under democracy". Where is all of this coming from? Not from me.

Dracolina · 12/09/2026 22:39

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