25 Years on from the biggest terrorist attack and Iran still funding proxies

Since Iran had nothing to do with the attacks on 11 /09/ 01 the thread title is very misleading.
But if course you knew that. It should be deleted.

Correct. It IS a puzzle.

Agree

and their funding of the ultra conservative and repressive Wahhabism which has has a huge influence and not just in Muslim countries where progression has taken a step back.

Wahhabism influence has no place in a progressive society but its certainly has influence in many many countries

Then chat about it rather then accuse people of trying to shut down the conversation.

Name the proxies they are funding, what the funding buys, and how it is a threat to people the world over. Dive into the subject and discuss/explain it all.

I know exactly which ideologies those who call us racists subscribe to.

Just an excuse to shut down debate to call people shit stirrers and racists 🥱

How exactly is it shit stirring?

Dracolina deserves some credit.

They're uniting the regular left and right posters in a way seldom seen on Mumsnet.

Her deleted post was disgusting.

I can't believe you flat out expressed support for proscribed terrorist groups and are still posting. Fucking mumsnet.

Agree with you.

It's not healthy to despise the place you live in so much.

Criticise it, yes. The West isn't perfect and deserves to be criticised. But normal levels of criticism isn't what we are seeing. To express support for terrorism when the terrorists want to destroy the West is madness.

Yes. My web is restricted.

You first link opens ok. And it has this

"Islamist extremism is based on the conviction that the world religion of Islam is not only a personal or private affair, but that it should also rule social life and the political order or regulate at least part of it. This is in clear contradiction to the principles of the sovereignty of the people, the separation of state and religion, freedom of expression and general equal rights, all of which are laid down in the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany."

And that is fine. That is Germany explaining why some individuals or groups are on it's watchlist. Spot on. I am sure the individuals or groups are on the same watchlist as many other groups that are not Islamic.

2nd link won't open.

3rd link opens, but there is nothing related to the subject there. Just a header page.

4th Link geoblocked their end. Last link, wiki, blocked my end.

Still not seeing an answer to me question. And yes, I totally get it that there are groups of nuts that want to take over the world. And that is why many are proscribed. But that risk is being managed.

And what I see is that managed risk being amplified as tho it is an existential threat to the west, when it is not.

You can say you are making it simple for me all you want. That does not mean you are answering the question.

What you are actually doing is conflating and concluding with no evidence, as I explained in my post. See here, you just said ; quote " Compare the freedom of women in the west to the restrictions on women in say Afghanistan etc. There is no comparison. As I said they love to have their extremist doctrine spread throughout the world. The ideology wants to spread, kill infidels and spread radical islam."

Yes, the Taliban treat women in Afghanistan really bad. I was reading on Sky earlier how being pregnant can be a death sentence. But how do you get from that to "The ideology wants to spread, kill infidels and spread radical islam." ?

Where are the steps in between with your logic ? I probably am too simple to understand how you get from one to the other. To the implied extent that is, that the Afghan Taliban are a danger to the west.

That is also the bit many politicians miss out too. The middle bit of logic.

Oh yeah and Yemen, millions FLED from areas the Houthis took over, they are currently using child soldiers.

So support these grouos all you want but don’t delude yourself into thinking the people they claim to represent actually want them.

Would also point to the pro hezbollah and pro hamas lot that the polling in Lebanon suggests that the majority of Lebanese want Hezbollah to disarm and the majority of Gazans wouldn’t vote for Hamas in a poll.

On Hamas theres a big hoo ha in Gaza at the moment because they abducted two women who are rleated to someone they are looking for and they started bloody shooting Gazans as soon as the ceasefire was announced.

So they may be freedom fighters in your eyes, but for the poor bastards how have to love with them they are just causing chaos.

People have done research on this, organisations like al-qaeda tailored it’s messaging depending on who the audience was. For western audiences it was about anti-colonialism and anit-imperialism for arab audiences it was often explicitly religious and ideological, their target by the way were often sitting arab govenments and leaders. Not for democracy btw, but for religious leadership like a caliph. And please don’t forget these extremists will happily oppress women and minorities all day long. They also seem to kill A LOT of muslims on their way to fight the americans and Israelis. Many arab countries have suffered from internal sectarian terrorism.