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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · 06/09/2026 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 13:54

Gender Profiles and Mental Health in Prepubertal TGD Children Recruited through Gender-affirming Care Networks: Baseline Parent-report Findings from the Gender Journey Project'

WPATH conference is in November. This is an upcoming presentation.

https://wpath.org/wpath-29th-scientific-symposium/

https://s2.goeshow.com/wpath/annual/2026/conference_program_sessions.cfm?session_key=73D04D8F-D7B7-8AF2-CA1F-597986B1C796&session_date=Saturday, Nov 07, 2026

Edit - sorry, not sure where the youtube vid came from. That's another WPATH doc, but not relevant to the post.

Edit again - link to the presentation isn't working, but it's there on the webpage.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 13:59

Another presentation:

'Lactation Induction in a Transgender Woman: Case Report'

Reia Massaro

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 14:04

And another:

'about:blank A Scoping Review of Sexual Behavior and Sexual Health Research in Transgender and Gender Diverse Adolescents'

All of these are at the link above, though I don't think the links embedded are working.

ThisisPradadarling · 07/09/2026 14:05

I did not know about the Justin Walters link.

I know an autistic girl who transitioned pretty much on the dot of her 18th birthday two years ago. She had a beard in six months. Her poor body will be ruined, she's tiddly and fragile.

NowSober · 07/09/2026 14:38

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/09/2026 12:32

I might dispute "harmful to 100%" about circumcision, though only in the mildest possible way. There is a very rare birth defect in boys that means their urethra is blocked by their foreskin and they are unable to urinate. This will kill them unless it is detected and corrected, and that correction will involve circumcision. I knew a woman whose son (her first child) died because the place she was living at the time lacked a doctor able to detect and correct in time for the poor little boy; it was discovered post mortem.

The emphasis is on "very rare": I have only come across that single instance in Real Life, though I expect it is known about in medical circles. I hope it is, for the sake of the very occasional babies.

Phimosis is not a very rare birth defect. It affects about 1% of males some of whom will require circumcision so they can pee normally. Some boys urinate through a pinhole with the rest of the foreskin ballooning with the pressure of the urine.

Katemax82 · 07/09/2026 14:59

TheKeatingFive · 07/09/2026 11:53

10?????

Good Lord

Ok I should have said he didn't actually start medication till older just decided he was male at age 10, sorry if I made it sound bad. The mastectomy was about 20 years of agr

RoundedRobin · 07/09/2026 15:01

HonestGoldAnt · 06/09/2026 12:42

In my childs year group, the trend is now to be pansexual non-binary , and we've also seen a couple of them identify as non-binary and a-sexual. We don't know of any that are taking it seriously enough to have medication or hormones.

What hormones or medication would you need to take to affirm a non-binary, pansexual or asexual identity?

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/09/2026 15:21

Oddly¹, non-binary men tend to do nothing but wear makeup, whereas non-binary women have a distressing tendency to want their breasts chopped off.

The other two, being sexualities rather than gender identities, would no more need medication or hormones than being gay or straight does.

¹ Really not that oddly, given the misogyny of the whole thing.

Catza · 07/09/2026 16:12

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/09/2026 12:10

Is there another medical procedure that is harmful to 100% of people who have it; definitely of no benefit to 80%; no proven benefit to the remaining 20%; no way to tell those 2 groups apart; and performed exclusively on pre-teens?

Actually, typing that I thought of just one that almost fits. Circumcision. Banned for girls. Increasingly controversial for boys despite considerably smaller harms than PBs.

Do you also have statistics on rates of suicide, self-harm, drug addiction, alcoholism and enduring mental health illness among people who have been denied the treatment? For the record, I am not holding any fixed view on this issue. I just think the impact assessment is not quite as simple as saying "it's 100% harmful to do it" without considering possible risks of not doing it.

Humerdu · 07/09/2026 16:16

RoundedRobin · 07/09/2026 15:01

What hormones or medication would you need to take to affirm a non-binary, pansexual or asexual identity?

Err, none.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/09/2026 16:39

Catza · 07/09/2026 16:12

Do you also have statistics on rates of suicide, self-harm, drug addiction, alcoholism and enduring mental health illness among people who have been denied the treatment? For the record, I am not holding any fixed view on this issue. I just think the impact assessment is not quite as simple as saying "it's 100% harmful to do it" without considering possible risks of not doing it.

That would be complicated by the need to consider also the rates of suicide, self-harm, drug addiction, alcoholism and enduring mental health illness among people who neither transitioned nor wanted to.

And first let's define alcoholism! If you are on Mumsnet, having a glass of wine with a meal practically means you are an alcoholic.

Shedmistress · 07/09/2026 16:49

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/09/2026 11:48

I don't find any of the mainstream media was "full of it" unless you are looking for it specifically. It is definitely your algorithms.

The BBC have been pushing all this for at least the last decade.

Every thing that bloody happens in the world they get a Drag Queen on to tell the world their take on it. It is only very recently they have even started to begrudgingly acknowledge that not everyone thinks people can change sex. Which they cannot.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 16:50

Catza · 07/09/2026 16:12

Do you also have statistics on rates of suicide, self-harm, drug addiction, alcoholism and enduring mental health illness among people who have been denied the treatment? For the record, I am not holding any fixed view on this issue. I just think the impact assessment is not quite as simple as saying "it's 100% harmful to do it" without considering possible risks of not doing it.

Suicide is a complex issue and multifactorial. Louis Appleby is clear on the need to approach the subject carefully and without making sweeping statements on the possible causes.

That said, here is a study:

'Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls, the risk was 5.03-fold higher before propensity matching and remained significant at 4.71-fold after matching (3.50% vs. 0.74%, RR 95% CI 2.46-9.024, p < 0.0001) for the gender affirmation patients with similar results with the pharyngitis controls.
Conclusion
Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.'

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/

Risk of Suicide and Self-Harm Following Gender-Affirmation Surgery - PMC

Introduction With the growing acceptance of transgender individuals, the number of gender affirmation surgeries has increased. Transgender individuals face elevated depression rates, leading to an increase in suicide ideation and attempts. This ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 16:53

WRT the success or otherwise of 'transition' as a treatment for 'gender incongruence', the Cass Report was very clear that there is insufficient evidence, and that most existing studies used are of low quality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68863594

'The Cass report, external, published on 10 April, looked at gender identity services for under-18s in NHS England.

It found gender medicine to be operating on "shaky foundations" when it came to the evidence for medical treatment like prescribing hormones to pause puberty or to transition to the opposite sex.

It said: "The reality is that we have no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress."'

Retired consultant paediatrician Dr Hilary Cass speaking about the publication of the Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People (The Cass Review) at the PA Media offices in west London. The former president of the Roy...

Cass Review: Gender care report author attacks 'misinformation'

Dr Hilary Cass says adults who deliberately spread false information are putting young people at risk.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68863594

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 07/09/2026 17:00

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/09/2026 12:32

I might dispute "harmful to 100%" about circumcision, though only in the mildest possible way. There is a very rare birth defect in boys that means their urethra is blocked by their foreskin and they are unable to urinate. This will kill them unless it is detected and corrected, and that correction will involve circumcision. I knew a woman whose son (her first child) died because the place she was living at the time lacked a doctor able to detect and correct in time for the poor little boy; it was discovered post mortem.

The emphasis is on "very rare": I have only come across that single instance in Real Life, though I expect it is known about in medical circles. I hope it is, for the sake of the very occasional babies.

I'd still class that as harmful, it's just that the benefits outweigh the harms, which is true of a lot of medications and surgery.

I had to have a circumcision as an adult for medical reasons. Harm no.1, it bloody well hurt for a good week afterwards. And harm no.2, sex feels less good. Not a lot less good, but enough. Obviously, children having the procedure done will never know the difference, but there is a difference.

In my case, the benefits very much outweighed those harms, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Its like lopping off a leg because you've got frostbite. Yes, obviously the leg needs to come off, but you've still got to live with the consequences of not having that leg

Catza · 07/09/2026 17:32

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/09/2026 16:39

That would be complicated by the need to consider also the rates of suicide, self-harm, drug addiction, alcoholism and enduring mental health illness among people who neither transitioned nor wanted to.

And first let's define alcoholism! If you are on Mumsnet, having a glass of wine with a meal practically means you are an alcoholic.

AUD is defined in DSM5
It is complicated. Every clinical research is. Doesn't mean we don't need to have a full picture when making a clinical decision.

Toodarktooearly · 07/09/2026 17:38

RedToothBrush · 06/09/2026 10:32

You know this is not ok and honestly the school could well fall foul of being accused of pushing ideology with changes to guidance.

Five year olds should understand sex. Its not something you can just pretend.

I'd bet money on its the parents lying saying it's the school to cover their own complicity

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 07/09/2026 17:38

Katemax82 · 07/09/2026 14:59

Ok I should have said he didn't actually start medication till older just decided he was male at age 10, sorry if I made it sound bad. The mastectomy was about 20 years of agr

Was this in the uk? What did this child say had led them to believe that they were not the sex they were?

Leafstamp · 07/09/2026 17:42

DeftGoldHedgehog · 07/09/2026 11:48

I don't find any of the mainstream media was "full of it" unless you are looking for it specifically. It is definitely your algorithms.

The parents in this article would definitely say the BBC was full of it:

https://archive.ph/eLgt7

”A formal complaint has been sent to Ofcom by the Bayswater Support Group, which represents hundreds of parents who believe the broadcaster has promoted one-sided coverage of sex and gender.”

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/09/2026 17:52

Catza
AUD is defined in DSM5

It is indeed. What is not defined there is alcoholism, mostly because, unlike AUD, alcoholism is a colloquial term.

DramaAndBullshit · 07/09/2026 18:45

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/09/2026 13:40

No.

They may well present in an androgynous way (can we please go back to that being an utterly unremarkable thing to do, rather than a special identity?), but they are either male or female. Nobody is in between.

Can we go back to using the term ‘androgynous’ as well please. All this ‘non-binary’ and ‘gender fluid’ is just re-packaging something that already exists.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 07/09/2026 19:09

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 16:50

Suicide is a complex issue and multifactorial. Louis Appleby is clear on the need to approach the subject carefully and without making sweeping statements on the possible causes.

That said, here is a study:

'Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95% CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls, the risk was 5.03-fold higher before propensity matching and remained significant at 4.71-fold after matching (3.50% vs. 0.74%, RR 95% CI 2.46-9.024, p < 0.0001) for the gender affirmation patients with similar results with the pharyngitis controls.
Conclusion
Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive post-procedure psychiatric support.'

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/

There was also a mental health study specifically of teenagers (very low quality, massive dropout rate) showing that mental health got worse for those receiving treatment and stayed largely stable or improved in those who weren't. I'll have a dig for the reference later.

likelysuspect · 07/09/2026 19:12

Catza · 07/09/2026 16:12

Do you also have statistics on rates of suicide, self-harm, drug addiction, alcoholism and enduring mental health illness among people who have been denied the treatment? For the record, I am not holding any fixed view on this issue. I just think the impact assessment is not quite as simple as saying "it's 100% harmful to do it" without considering possible risks of not doing it.

Given those issues are quite high in the cohorts who have ASD/trauma/SA and that overlaps completely with 'trans', that is impossible to make out.

likelysuspect · 07/09/2026 19:12

DramaAndBullshit · 07/09/2026 18:45

Can we go back to using the term ‘androgynous’ as well please. All this ‘non-binary’ and ‘gender fluid’ is just re-packaging something that already exists.

Yep and sex not gender

beeble347 · 07/09/2026 19:50

Quite a few still in the secondary girls' school I teach at, including one who's just had a name change on the register this year. I think it must be particularly confusing for them that they (all FTM obviously) are attending a girls' school and tend to stay for GCSEs. And then their name on the official exam records, and I presume certificates, is their original one.

You also do notice how many - majority - are ND girls, particularly autistic. We have been told about new guidance during INSET that schools should not initiate social transitioning. For my part, I will call the kids whatever makes them feel comfortable and has already been officially changed by the school eg name on register, but I worry for them.