Whole families on UC, PIP, DLA and carers' allowance for each other?

My apologies for incorrectly quoting you.

We can do both.
But grifting like this (claiming to be so disabled you need pip and need a carer yet the same is also true of your partner /children) also needs to stop.

Many of us work full time with grinding chronic illness. I don't mind my taxes going to people who are genuinely more disabled than me but I am afraid I cannot tolerate supporting the grifters.

Wasn’t my suggestion at all. Not my post. My take is that there should be a review of the welfare system to get people working in some capacity if they have the ability to do some form of work. But predictably we have people jumping on here saying silly things like ‘what about my quadriplegic mate….’ Clearly a ruse to close down any debate or review of benefits. Let’s make it clear the suggestions of how to get people back to work does not include some who is ‘quadriplegic’ 🙄 Surprised that that even has to be clarified…..

Ok, evidence please. Not just ‘I see it’.

Nonsense
I saw a load of bank statements from families on the "pip and carers allowance" game - and they were managing a far better lifestyle than DH and I do and we both work full time in hard professional jobs.
It's clear that being creative with the truth can be very rewarding. I have read the Pip criteria and I don't qualify, yet I am definitely too disabled to be a carer for an adult or child who meets the criteria for disability payments

How can that even be approved? Is someone not "joining up the dots" back in the office? Surely once the jaw catches up with them, they will have stiff penalties to pay?? I don't know how people have the audacity to do this 😬

*This may or may not be true for all SEN kids/adults but….

My daughter is AuAdhd. She’s almost 17 and just started college. Her CP actually told us at one review that monster/redbull/coffee would actually work the other way with her and others similar. Stimulants help regulate her. She doesn’t use them now but for about 18 months a year or so ago she had one every morning and did better in those days. Like I say, this is probably not the same for all and not something I’d suggest.

I also work in a specialist school for behavioural issues and out of about 120 children (primary ages), there’s only one child we have to give extra food to, clean, help with uniform/hair. She’s got a brilliant personality but it’s clear there’s some struggles at home.

You are very judgemental.

Yup. This is when it becomes clear that the motivation isn't to save money, its simply to stop other people having money.

Every parent of disabled child/ren is the absolute opposite of what you’ve described. Maybe it’s the area you live?

Why do you put "mental health" in quotes like that? Do you think it's not real or something?

No it does not. Where on Earth did you get that idea from?

So you are jealous of your disabled siblings? Lovely.

Before we review the benefits system, why don’t we review the corruption and back room lobbying, the government subsidies and insider trading that goes on amongst our business and political elites? The money siphoned off by the likes of business is vastly more than the families claiming carers allowance.

And someone else quoting a situation which isn’t being challenged here. Obviously there’s situations where PIP and DLA is obviously needed. No-one is saying for a second that every claimant should be stripped of their benefit tomorrow. People are highlighting that there will be many instances which don’t require someone not working at all, and these are issues which need addressing in a Welfare review.

They also want PIP claimants to stop working and paying taxes, that’ll save money 🤣

Or more so. I'd rather have physical health problems and have my mental health stronger. (The fact they are often linked aside).

And they are already covered by benedits.

Most other countries would simply just laugh of this arrangement.

So, your suggestion to reduce welfare spending is to employ a team of people to conduct daily 9am online interviews with all benefit claimants (except if they're quadriplegic). So 4.2m additional staff, given the calls will all take place at the same time? Are you sure...?

Even if it pays enough to survive, what does that mean? Can afford simple groceries and basic bills if you're really careful? That doesn't account for the cost of extra services and help you may need as a result of the disability.

Whether they’re targeting a specific group, most benefit bashing is indiscriminate and mental health issues can be debilitating just as much as my physical condition can be.

Indeed.
The genuinely disabled people/genuine carers (and I still submit you cannot be both if you are honest on the forms) are missing the point. It's absolutely a grift being run by a certain slice of society . They know exactly what they are doing and they teach each other how to do it.

As@JLou08 says Do you not realise that those parents you're referring to are more likely to have their own learning difficulties/ND which makes it difficult for them to engage with training and impacts their executive function? I'm sure most of them are doing all they can for their DC but they don't all have the same level of capabilities that you do.

I would guarantee that all these parents will have undiagnosed SENs/NB. And I know in-generational families on benefits. From the outside what we see are people who live limited lives, eat unhealthily, spend money they don’t have getting into debt, and too much time on technology.

But before you cut their benefits @Hutinthemiddleofnowhere driving them further into poverty, and as you’re a teacher, why not campaign for better education that meets the needs of children with Sen? An education system that would enable them to not only get an education, but experience one that hasn’t destroyed all vestiges of self belief when they got their weekly spelling tests wrong week after week or couldn’t perform their fast paced mental maths in front of the whole class. Where art, music, drama, industrial design wasn’t removed from schools or school fields sold off to enable students to succeed in other areas.

Why not support political parties that will stand up to the tech bros who have deliberately designed technology that is addictive, destroys young girls self esteem, and exposes everyone to the worst of humanity all in the name of obscene profits? Why not campaign against a food industry that has deliberately engineered calorie dense HPF with salt/sugar/fat combined to give dopamine hits and which is cheaper than fresh food? Why not campaign against the firms that have off shored the well paying jobs that required skills but not a degree in theoretical physics or campaign against betting firms using sophisticated marketing techniques to encourage problem betting? Did you argue against the ridiculous white elephant of HS2 sucking up £100 billion that could’ve been spent on so many better projects? Fight to highlight the corruption and waste of our taxpayer money going to friends in every political party (none is immune)?

Lift your head up op and instead of focusing on the families, look at our wider society and our economy that has slipped from benefiting a majority to creating wealth for a few. I don’t know what the answer is because the welfare bill is likely unsustainable but thanks again to technology, the remaining jobs can be done with fewer people and will be highly work intensive. Not suitable for those with MH problems or physical ailments or those with undiagnosed and unsupported SENs.

This trajectory has been allowed for decades now, no government has seemingly been able or had the will to address the issues given the need to rely on private donations. The evidence against cryptocurrencies is dire with its negative consequences for society but if Reform got elected, then we’d see that brought in to further damage our economy and society.

What we so desperately need is for all our politicians and our business elites to actually want to serve the whole country instead of themselves, their party, their business mates. Let’s hope Burnham’s cabinet can create miracles though I’m not holding my breath. More taxes, but same problems.

Or a 4' 8" woman who's had a stroke on top of other conditions and can no longer drive? (And I do actually work part-time frpm home still anyway!) 🙄

It is disingenuous, but it’s the system that’s wrong for allowing it. Obviously there are people who walk amongst us who will grab the opportunity to do this if it’s available to them. Some people will have a zero moral compass when it comes to seizing the opportunity to claim more money from the government pot. That’s why the benefit system needs a review to get rid of these situations.