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AIBU to question people claiming they would happily pay more tax?

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Towerinthegarden · 05/09/2026 14:03

Yet another thread about should there be tax rises or spending cuts, and invariably you get a host of people coming out saying they are happy to pay more. Well you can https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government

I’m pretty sure what they actually mean is I am happy to pay a tiny amount more on the understanding others will pay a lot more and then I’ll see the benefit. If that assumption is wrong why aren’t all these people saying they’re happy to pay more doing it?

Voluntary payments / donations to government

Find out how to make a voluntary contribution to government.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government

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Natsku · 09/09/2026 14:18

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 09:25

They can't afford roads fees, so can they really afford a car and to drive then?

I'm pretty sure all the data shows that private roads are better maintained and have less potholes.

The market price will be set at whatever it is to recover costs.

Taxes on lower incomes are obviously lower, so they can afford to pay their taxes to pay for the roads but there's a good chance they can't afford to pay fees every time they drive.

Source for that data? My parents used to live in an area where the roads were unadopted and they were in absolutely terrible condition.

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 16:44

Natsku · 09/09/2026 14:18

Taxes on lower incomes are obviously lower, so they can afford to pay their taxes to pay for the roads but there's a good chance they can't afford to pay fees every time they drive.

Source for that data? My parents used to live in an area where the roads were unadopted and they were in absolutely terrible condition.

Sucks to be them I guess

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 16:44

BIossomtoes · 09/09/2026 12:51

Tax isn’t theft. Where’s the data you referenced?

It is theft. Look it up yourself. It's all there.

Deliaskis · 09/09/2026 17:28

Itchthescratch · 09/09/2026 07:44

But that isn't how democracy works? None of us agree entirely with any political party's policies and often there are some that we whole heartedly disagree with. We have to vote for the party that is best fit for us and hope they gain power. If you start to demand that you will only pay more tax if the state spends it on exactly what you want then in reality you simply aren't happy to pay more tax. There will always be something that they are spending money on that you disagree with.

Yes it absolutely is and I wasn't arguing for everybody only having to fund things that they agree with at all. I pay the tax I am required to pay and have no issue with that, even though much of it is used for things I might not fully support, because as you say, that's how society and democracy works.

My point was that the question of paying more was far more complex, and the same rules and expectations are unlikely to apply. This is basically how charitable giving works... people pick causes they support. Voluntary giving to an unspecified 'cause' feels pretty unlikely, by anybody, and that's ultimately what the OP is asking about. And that's quite aside from the conversation around value for money from government generally. Tax paying is still a transaction and all transactions have a value assessment in there somewhere, i.e. the payer has an opinion about whether what they are paying for is good value. In the case of normal taxation, the choice not to complete the transaction requires the payers to elect another government. For voluntary additional giving, the expectation of seeing some kind of value must surely be higher, because that is what drives the action. There are quite a lot of behavioural barriers to voluntary giving, even for people who in principle would support it.

Deliaskis · 09/09/2026 17:39

I guess what I mean is there are three answers to the question "would you be happy to pay more tax?"... a) yes and I don't care where it goes, b) yes under certain stipulations, and c) no not ever. When people say they would be happy to pay more, they are saying they are part of group b. I know of not one single person who is really group a, and of course many are group c. The people in group b would in principle be happy to pay more under certain circumstances. They've not been met and nothing has convinced then it would be a smart thing to do. It doesn't mean their claim is dishonest.

Wingingit73 · 09/09/2026 17:41

If you're not prepared to pay taxes you cannot expect to have the nhs or benefits. The taxes are far less than those things would cost you annually

Natsku · 09/09/2026 18:37

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 16:44

Sucks to be them I guess

So you have no source for your claim and you don't care that private roads don't work for everyone. Lovely.

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 21:27

Natsku · 09/09/2026 18:37

So you have no source for your claim and you don't care that private roads don't work for everyone. Lovely.

Again. Think about it. What's a road? A flat piece of straight land. Why do you need a wasteful government to forcefully extract taxation to pay for it.

Why is 60% taxes on successful hard workers needed to pay for a road

BIossomtoes · 09/09/2026 22:17

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 16:44

It is theft. Look it up yourself. It's all there.

If it’s all there post a link. It isn’t theft.

Natsku · 10/09/2026 03:54

PhoebeBuffays · 09/09/2026 21:27

Again. Think about it. What's a road? A flat piece of straight land. Why do you need a wasteful government to forcefully extract taxation to pay for it.

Why is 60% taxes on successful hard workers needed to pay for a road

A road is a bit more than a flat piece of straight land you know, there's quite a few layers of material needed to make a road and a lot of work. You claimed private roads are better maintained but still haven't provided a source and shrugged off my experience of badly maintained private roads. And who is paying 60% taxes? No one. And taxes pay for a hell of a lot more than roads. How about police? Would you like to have to pay privately for protection? Fire insurance so you get a chance of firefighters coming if your house catches fire? But alas your neighbours don't have fire insurance so your house gets damaged anyway when theirs catches fire.

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