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To wonder why parents don’t take responsibility for their children’s behaviour?

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PPAPPINE · 03/09/2026 01:48

I have noticed that particularly with older children/ teens with behavioural issues, parents and adults in general seem to think the child is solely to blame and take very little responsibility of their own.
I don’t believe children become violent, aggressive or incredibly reckless for no reason. I believe it is usually due to trauma or neglect/ lack of positive attention even (or especially) in ND children.
It seems like most people genuinely believe that a child or young adult with behavioural issues like aggression/ defiance/ criminal or reckless behaviour has just become that way either of their own accord or due to outside influences or neurodiversity. When it’s often down to neglect and lack of support and love at home.

Arguably, lack of education around attachment and parenting is not always the fault of parents and I’m not sure why it’s not encouraged.
Of Course there are exceptions and other factors that play a part but it’s hard not to notice that it’s often the children who have unstable home lives, multiple younger siblings and no boundaries or routine.
This all seems so obvious to me. AIBU?

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newseries · 05/09/2026 06:54

@PassTheCranberrySauce the problem is I don’t know if he has ADHD - it isn’t impossible of course but even just exploring the possibility seems arduous to say the least!

DS has had a lot of problems with repeated ear infections since being a baby and to be honest I’ve been fobbed off quite a lot with ‘children are prone to ear infections but he’ll grow out of it.’ He hasn’t grown out of it and I am kind of hoping that’s been the driver for a lot of problems. He has an appointment next week where grommets will be discussed. SO many people have said their child was like a different person with grommets and I hope so as as much as ds can be really lovely he is very shouty, loud, physical (not necessarily purposefully aggressive but just always has to be ON you) and he has had some horrible incidents with other children this summer.

Sorry, that was a ramble. I guess it just worries me because I'm there thinking that ok, he is nearly 6 now, and the signs are that this element of his personality isn't going to get much better. I remember reading once that a parent with young children with significant SEND should savour the time as babies because the gap is only going to widen as their peers develop, and that seemed so applicable last week. What would have been acceptable for a one year old or two year old was not for him: even my three year old would be expecting to outgrow those elements (if she had them: she doesn’t yet.)

I am currently reading No Such Thing As Naughty but like so many parenting books I’ve tried it just oversimplifies things: there’s a lightbulb conversation in which the child confides in the parent something and the parent gets it and it’s all fine from then on but real life just isn’t like that!

PassTheCranberrySauce · 05/09/2026 07:02

newseries · 05/09/2026 06:54

@PassTheCranberrySauce the problem is I don’t know if he has ADHD - it isn’t impossible of course but even just exploring the possibility seems arduous to say the least!

DS has had a lot of problems with repeated ear infections since being a baby and to be honest I’ve been fobbed off quite a lot with ‘children are prone to ear infections but he’ll grow out of it.’ He hasn’t grown out of it and I am kind of hoping that’s been the driver for a lot of problems. He has an appointment next week where grommets will be discussed. SO many people have said their child was like a different person with grommets and I hope so as as much as ds can be really lovely he is very shouty, loud, physical (not necessarily purposefully aggressive but just always has to be ON you) and he has had some horrible incidents with other children this summer.

Sorry, that was a ramble. I guess it just worries me because I'm there thinking that ok, he is nearly 6 now, and the signs are that this element of his personality isn't going to get much better. I remember reading once that a parent with young children with significant SEND should savour the time as babies because the gap is only going to widen as their peers develop, and that seemed so applicable last week. What would have been acceptable for a one year old or two year old was not for him: even my three year old would be expecting to outgrow those elements (if she had them: she doesn’t yet.)

I am currently reading No Such Thing As Naughty but like so many parenting books I’ve tried it just oversimplifies things: there’s a lightbulb conversation in which the child confides in the parent something and the parent gets it and it’s all fine from then on but real life just isn’t like that!

What do school say? The ear issues could be contributing but wouldn’t account for the whole story. I would get the ball rolling with ND investigations alongside the grommets etc. and I’m not one to jump on the diagnosis bandwagon. It sounds like he’s really struggling.

newseries · 05/09/2026 07:30

@PassTheCranberrySauce this is kind of my point, there is no way to get the ball rolling that I can see unless I pay for a private assessment which I’m reluctant to do unless things continue to deteriorate. At the moment, he’d almost certainly be diagnosed with something. However, this wouldn’t take into account the ears and some trauma related stuff. I know that there can be a view on here that a diagnosis of neurodiversity is at most benign and I’m not sure I agree: unfortunately it can be detrimental because of prejudices which I recognise should not exist but they do.

So that leaves me with taking him to the GP, who would talk about boundaries and consequences and perhaps suggest parenting courses. Maybe after many years of to-ing and fro-ing to the GP I might get put on a waiting list, I don’t know.

DS is borderline is the problem. He doesn’t clearly present as anything. He is very high energy and could be ADHD, but he also could just be an active five year old boy. He can be aggressive but he can also be lovely. I can have months of taking him to places and he’ll make friends and this summer that seems to have unravelled and he’s become snappy and irritable with other children and aggressive on at least two occasions. There have been flashes of sweetness - I heard him chatting excitedly to another boy about ‘my favourite football player is Marcus rasher too!’ and I nearly cried because it just sounded like my son, if you get me? These aggressive incidents kind of flare up, they often seem to come out of nowhere and it’s weird because I can understand a child getting so annoyed and frustrated they just kind of explode and shove or hit another kid but with ds it feels a bit more like calculated meanness where he’ll bite Sad and no one needs to jump on me and tell me that’s not normal at his age, I know!

School has mostly been fine. He’s well behaved in lessons but there have been incidents at lunch time, most at the lower end of serious. However, he has got two friendships at school which aren’t positive ones and despite my best efforts to try and encourage other friendships (and he does get on well with the other children, even some of the quieter girls seem relaxed enough around him) he keeps gravitating back to them and it is not a good combination at all. Hoping things may dilute this year (he hasn’t gone back yet.) there was one incident this year that I would call serious where he attacked one of those boys - the teacher said it was unprovoked. My view is that it was likely to have built up over time which does not excuse it but I know one of the boys regularly says unkind things to him over and over which he comes home repeating. But he can’t use violence - apart from anything else the other child is twice his size and ds could have been seriously hurt if he’d retaliated.

It is a massive worry for me though. It’s a tiny school (only sixty children in the whole school) and I worry he’ll end up ostracised and isolated. And because it’s so small the SENCO is spread across several schools in the academy trust so can’t just drop in and speak to them, etc. He does have the same teacher this year as last which is good and one of the boys will be in a different class. But the incidents happen at social times. Sigh.

piscofrisco · 05/09/2026 07:40

Timeforachange26 · 05/09/2026 00:47

How do you enforce that in a non compliant 14 or 15 year old

Quite. I actually had to give up my job to be at home around school hours when dd was 15. I had to get her there, make sure she stayed there (she would often just walk off campus in the middle of the day), and be around after school to make sure she got home and wasn’t doing anything untoward. Doors and windows had to be locked at night and we had an alarm
on the front door because she would try and escape. At that point she just wanted to be with her horrendous ‘friends’ and was wildly seeking dopamine in all the wrong ways and places. A determined 15 year old will find any means possible to do what they want to do and it’s not that easy to stop them. Not everyone is able to give up work to become their child’s full time jailer. And tbh my career has never recovered.

It was what worked for us, even though it was horrendous for all involved, but it wasn’t easy. People who say ‘how can you not know where your 14 year old is?’ have no clue what some parents are dealing with. (Obvs there are some parents that don’t actually care and that’s a different issue).

Velumental · 05/09/2026 08:49

Parenting is important, listening to them, being there for them etc but especially with neurodivergent children impulse control can be poor so they REALLY struggle not to lash out in fight or flight and they go into fight or flight more than the average person.

For my 8 yr old he was a runner from the minute he could walk, with hindsight his response to anything stressful was to run.

From about age 4 he switched to a fight response, he'd turn into a wild animal at any stressful stimuli, nwo the thing is you don't have a diagnosis at 4 and you have only a usually fairly useless health visitor to ask and normal parenting techniques just do not work, they escalate and make things worse. Thank goodness we were already under neurology and we had my neuropsychologist friend who helped me learn proper coregulation and behaviour management strategies early, around the time I became worried he was a psychopath )his eyes go completely glazed in a meltdown but the rest of the time he's an incredibly lovely and kind boy who has never so much as laid a hand on another child at nursery or school, sensory meltdowns are reserved for when he feels safe, with me usually)

If you saw him swinging for me, biting, roundhouse kicking etc you'd be forgiven for thinking he'd been exposed to violence and he absolutely hasn't. He's parent extremely presently and carefully by me and his dad, has loving grandparents, he would die rather than swear because he thinks it's so aborrhent. He's an absolute pet. But when he's overwhelmed he lashes out.

Now at 8 it's leagues better than at 4 or 5 but we've had access to so many resources others don't have they are just floundering feeling like terrible parents or shouting and disciplining behaviour which is sensory overload and therefore that makes it worse and escalates it.

People want to claim parents aren't taking responsibility but these kids need special tools which most parents can't access until 4-6 years wait on a diagnosis wait list, another year.for services and medications and a zeitgeist which is increasingly geared towards bling these kids while removing accomodations.

There are very few ta's per child these days and they are being cut back further. So more kids aren't accessing what they need to access education and therapies. So you have more kids failing out of education, more kids in families floundering from lack of services and then you're going to turn around and blame the parents and children who have been failed by the nhs, the school system and often also social services by the time they get through being screwed up.

Then these kids are stuck trying to navigate their way through adult services once they mature in their 20s to try to rebuild a life while carrying all that guilt.

If you want less delinquent teens you need to support kids and families better and give them the tools needed because it's not standard parenting. The level of constant supervision, constant interventions, medical appointments, searching for services, researching, filling out paperwork, school meetings (and our school are amazing and proactive and my child who was a screaming, spitting violent 4 year old at 8 is in the top group for maths, literacy and topics because of the absolutely stellar support he's received for his ASD, ADHD and dyslexia, I cannot praise them enough) etc etc

My son is thriving because of an entire background of good fortune and it's still WAY harder than standard parenting. So basically. Sod off.

Velumental · 05/09/2026 09:00

newseries · 05/09/2026 06:54

@PassTheCranberrySauce the problem is I don’t know if he has ADHD - it isn’t impossible of course but even just exploring the possibility seems arduous to say the least!

DS has had a lot of problems with repeated ear infections since being a baby and to be honest I’ve been fobbed off quite a lot with ‘children are prone to ear infections but he’ll grow out of it.’ He hasn’t grown out of it and I am kind of hoping that’s been the driver for a lot of problems. He has an appointment next week where grommets will be discussed. SO many people have said their child was like a different person with grommets and I hope so as as much as ds can be really lovely he is very shouty, loud, physical (not necessarily purposefully aggressive but just always has to be ON you) and he has had some horrible incidents with other children this summer.

Sorry, that was a ramble. I guess it just worries me because I'm there thinking that ok, he is nearly 6 now, and the signs are that this element of his personality isn't going to get much better. I remember reading once that a parent with young children with significant SEND should savour the time as babies because the gap is only going to widen as their peers develop, and that seemed so applicable last week. What would have been acceptable for a one year old or two year old was not for him: even my three year old would be expecting to outgrow those elements (if she had them: she doesn’t yet.)

I am currently reading No Such Thing As Naughty but like so many parenting books I’ve tried it just oversimplifies things: there’s a lightbulb conversation in which the child confides in the parent something and the parent gets it and it’s all fine from then on but real life just isn’t like that!

I don't know if this will help you but I can share my experience with my now 8 year old. He can't confide because he doesn't recognize his triggers, he's also baffled and frightened by his behaviour with big feelings. The lashing out and irritability etc. WE are constantly watching for patterns and trigger and trying to identify things that help. One thing we worked out is my son is massively sensory sensitive, he would never be able to tell me he's having a bad day because his pants are too tight (even though he could do a 2 hour monologue on. Chess or history or Nintendo games consoles through the ages) buy once he takes them off to put his pyjamas on his mood changes immediately.

newseries · 05/09/2026 09:20

@Velumental thank you Flowers It is so hard as a lot of the time he just presents as an ordinary sweet child, definitely with a lot of energy but in a zest and enthusiasm for life kind of way rather than manic destruction! I’ve been to theatre shows and things like author talks and music events, things where some sitting and concentrating is a bit of a requisite and he’s been fine.

I am hoping the lack of routine this summer and stress at home is the culprit. It’s so very hard isn’t it? I’m so glad things are better for your ds now Flowers

Unwantedmaleopinion · 05/09/2026 09:23

@PPAPPINE

Id advise you read the current phone in schools thread and that will explain it all!!

Velumental · 05/09/2026 09:27

newseries · 05/09/2026 09:20

@Velumental thank you Flowers It is so hard as a lot of the time he just presents as an ordinary sweet child, definitely with a lot of energy but in a zest and enthusiasm for life kind of way rather than manic destruction! I’ve been to theatre shows and things like author talks and music events, things where some sitting and concentrating is a bit of a requisite and he’s been fine.

I am hoping the lack of routine this summer and stress at home is the culprit. It’s so very hard isn’t it? I’m so glad things are better for your ds now Flowers

It's so hard and we've been very fortunate to have access to support. I strongly recommend looking up PDA parenting and neuro affirming parenting, look up sensory seeking and ways to meet those needs. It helps so much to have a plan and honestly the best thing to do is to forget about the diagnosis and look at each difficulty and if you think those techniques benefit him use them. The hardest thing is finding the confidence to buck standard parenting advice. Good luck.

JassyRadlett · 05/09/2026 09:34

There's a combo of lack of incentives, consequences and support.

There are parents who are sincerely struggling and doing their best, but the right support at the right time isn't available or accessible to them. Particularly for ND children I think this is a huge issue where parents are left to fend for themselves and lack of support and early intervention just stores up problems and heartache.

There are parents who don't give a shit, where incentives and sanctions that put some responsibility on them for their child's behaviour (alongside offers of support) would be appropriate. The impacts of social disapproval/disapprobation have massively reduced over the last three or four decades and nothing has replaced it.

There are parents who are far too indulgent - those who give too much of a shit in the wrong way and are constantly trying to remove the consequences of their kids' actions, where better support and education + a system that gives them a greater degree of responsibility for their child's behaviour would be helpful.

Willoww80 · 05/09/2026 09:43

You have absolutely no idea, so despite all the biological, genetic and environmental factors not under the parents control or requiring specialist knowledge of handling psychiatric/ SEN issues not given via implant in the labour ward surprisingly, it’s still her fault. (I say this as you’re inevitably blaming mothers who have done their damned hardest) I wouldn’t wish the hell of a teen with such issues on any parent except those as smug as yourself. Many parents with such teens have other children who turned out the complete opposite btw. To add did you know that 10% of women murdered and killed by their own children, I suppose that must be their own fault too that their kids committed such a heinous act

funkystars123 · 05/09/2026 10:02

SpanThatWorld · 03/09/2026 06:05

I have 3 sons. Two went through adolescence with the usual range of good and bad behaviour.

One broke me. Aggression, drugs, risky behaviour, exclusion from school, involvement in (non-violent) crime. His dad and I had no control. We were utterly bewildered. There are no services unless the child is willing to engage and he simply laughed in people's faces. And no, we weren't sitting on our phones.

I look at photos of my joyful, cheeky and loving little boy and wonder how he became the callous, mocking young man full of hatred and anger. Unless you've been there, you have no idea.

This!

We have three kids- all neurodivergent, eldest DD is married, owns her flat and is a secondary maths teacher… has a happy life even though she had a lot of trauma with her birth mother. I am her step mum and lover her deeply. She is my child as much as the others and whist we have always supported her with the relationship with her birth mother we have been very proactive in making sure she felt connected, happy and healthy.

My youngest DD had just passed her A levels, she had friends, works and volunteers. Is off to uni next year. We are very close and she will often tell me I am the best mum ever…

My son is 20 and currently not working, I have spent so much of our life fighting for him, advocating and supporting him in any way I can. For some reason this just hasn’t worked, his mental health is very poor, he falls out with people all the time, has been in trouble with the police. He has no intention of working at the moment as he doesn’t want to work for minimum wage.

I could let this ruin the rest of my life- I want to rage and cry every day but I have other kids that need me. He has had everything from us- including boundaries, structure and consequences. I am 100% sure I could have done things differently, couldn’t we always?! But is it my fault?

posts like yours are so unfair on parents like us who are desperate, feel terrified for the future for our children and ourselves and would do anything for it to be different.

until you have walked in my shoes don’t judge!

OonaStubbs · 05/09/2026 10:24

At the end of the day, the parents are responsible for their children being alive, they are the causation of any bad behaviour exhibited by them, regardless of what age they are.

BertieBotts · 05/09/2026 12:13

newseries · 04/09/2026 10:36

@BertieBotts i am tremendously grateful for your post, it does leave with the question of what can you do, what do you do?

OK I am back with resources. Sorry this is really long. I wouldn't expect anybody to be able to absorb all of this info at once nor will all the resources be relevant but they are all things I've found helpful at various times and I would say maybe pick one of these ideas/concepts/suggestions to explore.

First of all observe. Observe observe observe. You're looking for patterns of behaviour.

There is a framework called Antecedent, Behaviour, Consequence which is very useful - you can do something called an ABC plan. To do an ABC plan you want to work out what behaviour it is you're trying to change and that means noting down the unwanted behaviour but also if possible (and it might not be yet) the positive replacement behaviour you'd like to see instead. A positive replacement behaviour is something like - if child usually hits other children, using words to communicate. If they are using words a lot then you might need to narrow it down to specific situations they tend to hit.

Then you can observe your child in various environments and if you see either the unwanted behaviour, or any attempt at the positive replacement behaviour, and note down the antecedent (ie, what happened immediately before or what seemed to prompt this behaviour) and the consequence (ie, what happened immediately afterwards as a result of the child's behaviour, this could be positive or negative). Often you notice that for example the attempts at the positive replacement behaviour get overlooked or are not effective, or the child gets no attention or praise for this, but the unwanted behaviour gets immediate attention, even if it is being told off. This is unbalanced because young children's brains are wired to find attention very reinforcing. It's not that they are seeking out being told off because they "want" this, it's that their brain has then sort of marked that behaviour as important and valuable because it achieves something.

This video course is really great in terms of how to do these observations and identify positive opposite behaviours and a lot of really excellent tips of how to more effectively reward the behaviour you want to see, including my favourite tip which is about breaking things down into much smaller steps and getting there at the child's pace. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyEGNxBvNdOVlianDYgWuc9

But also if you find that there is an antecedent which frequently triggers a certain behaviour in the child, that is likely indicative of a situation they lack the skill to manage effectively. Obviously as a parent you won't necessarily have the skills or knowledge to identify which skills are missing, but sometimes it's clear because you can see that the way they are asking for something is not effective, or that they are misinterpreting a situation with a similar pattern over time, and so this gives you information that you might be able to use to practice that skill outside of that situation. At 5 some really good ways to practice skills related to basic things like manners/polite tone, turn taking, flexibility (ie, letting other people decide sometimes), emotion recognition etc, are role play, either with toys or by taking different roles in games like Shops, Restaurant etc. You can also build phrases to practice into simple board/card games. Or sometimes you can set up opportunities to practice in an easier situation. For example, if your child struggles with supermarkets, don't start with expecting them to tolerate an entire weekly shop on a busy Saturday, in between other errands or activities. Go in at a quieter time, or to a smaller shop, with a very short list and take it slowly, one step at a time. If you can see that your child is struggling socially but don't know exactly what with, you can also buy various books with guidance on how to support development of social skills or cognitive skills like waiting, flexibility, etc. The "Out of Sync Child" series tends to be good but I'm sure there are other useful books. And I've often found that I get a good starting point if I write into a chatbot describing common issues or situations my child struggles with along with their age and asking what underlying skill(s) could be involved, and what the developmental path is for those skills (ie, what is even earlier that those skills build on). This will give me language and keywords to search and I can then find websites, articles, or sometimes books or other sources of advice and suggestions about how to support and develop that area for my child. Oh, here I also like Linda K Murphy's The Co-Regulation Handbook.

Of course, it also goes without saying that if you are worried that your child is not developing appropriate skills at the same rate as their peers, always get advice from the GP or Health Visitor or some areas have Family Hubs. If they tell you to wait and see, then ask for a time scale on this and what specifically to look out for. So for example if they say this is very common and children usually grow out of it, ask at what stage you should come back if the behaviour or difficulty persists. Or if they say this is likely temporary stress relating to e.g. starting a new school, say how long should you give it to settle down. Then make a note somewhere perhaps on a calendar, and follow up if you do not see improvement, or if you notice the behaviour or difficulty is getting worse. If you can afford private speech therapy or OT, IME that can sometimes be more useful than paying for private assessment for ND conditions. Behavioural therapy can also be appropriate but ideally it should be training the adult to use skills to support the child's behaviour so you need to be open to this. Parent coaching may also be similar although I think the term is totally unregulated. It might be cheaper for that reason though.

In some situations you find that the ABC framework is too simplistic because the antecedent is more of a "last straw" situation and actually it appears quite random or unpredictable. This can be indicative that what you're seeing is more general stress behaviour or dysregulation, and not that there are specific situations your child struggles to navigate.

There are three parts to helping children with stress behaviour/dysregulation IME. Identifying and reducing sources of stress/dysregulation in their environment, where possible. Identifying and increasing access to things which they find regulating or which help calm them, or e.g. "get out" excess energy or big feelings in a healthy way. And lastly (or maybe first?), learning to recognise where they are on a sort of "scale" of regulation in order to help guide them to use appropriate tools at the right time. Eventually the aim is that they can learn to recognise this themselves but I think personally it is unrealistic to expect children to go from being dysregulated a lot of the time to being able to recognise and manage their own state of regulation very quickly. They are likely to need the support of trusted adults for a long time before they can internalise these skills. IME adults (especially in schools, which I understand because there probably aren't loads of spare adults just hanging around ready to help children regulate, although that is not always exactly what is needed) want this to happen very quickly and assume that when it is not happening quickly enough, this approach is not working and then they want to go back to the control/punitive approach because they feel it will get faster results. However, this can often be counterproductive, because feeling controlled in itself can be dysregulating especially if the expectations are too high for the child to reliably meet.

Children will vary with what they find stressful or dysregulating, but some common themes are unpredictability, uncomfortable sensory input esp overwhelm due to multiple conflicting inputs, overwhelm because instructions or expectations are coming in too fast without time to process, proximity to unknown people (esp in larger groups) or people they are wary of, difficult emotions, cognitive load, fear-based discipline, pressure to perform (sometimes praise/reward can feel like pressure), feeling controlled/constrained (threat to autonomy), physical aspects e.g. pain/muscle ache, hunger, thirst, tiredness, toilet need (and some children are slower to develop the sense of interoception, which is their internal awareness of these kinds of body signs).

Whereas regulating input again will vary based on the child and also often based on the exact situation, but some things to try could be alone time/quiet, privacy and space, slowing down and giving them more time to process things in general, opportunity for movement esp involving impact (running, jumping, hitting things), "heavy work", feeling genuinely accepted and competent (e.g. having a particular role within the classroom or home, being praised/rewarded), tasks and behaviour expectations matching where they are at so they can be successful (which may also include working on skills to get them to where they can meet expectations), proximity to other people or animals who are calm and regulated (co-regulation), knowing what to expect/what is coming next, order and familiarity, deep pressure (e.g. weighted blanket, tight squeezy hugs) autonomy of choice.

Some useful resources for understanding the subject of regulation are-
Conscious Discipline - love their three brain state model. They have a framework of teaching skills to adults in order to pass them down to children. Largely school based, but a huge wealth of resource material anybody can use. Genuinely accessibly written. Sounds simplistic but it's about patterns over time and it does work.

Mona Delahooke - explains how this links into behaviour and a lot about adult body language and how we can alter it to shift patterns. More of an overview of the topic.

Stuart Shanker's Self-Reg - has a whole model of how different stress "domains" can affect both capacity to handle stress within the other domains and also functioning of other domains. Good for understanding how to avoid overloading children with too many things at once, not hugely practical other than this, but can be a helpful lens to understand some things, especially the idea of fluctuating capacity aka why "But they can do it sometimes, so it means they are choosing not to" can be flawed.

TheOTButterfly - I don't like to recommend social media influencers but she has some really good explanations of sensory processing and has a book coming out called The Sensory Code which I think will be helpful both for children who struggle with sensory input and also about how to use/identify sensory strategies to support regulation.

Linda K Murphy - two books The Declarative Language Handbook and The Co-Regulation Handbook. Her understanding of Co-Regulation is a bit different to other descriptions but it's vv helpful. Declarative Language can be helpful if children struggle with or automatically lash out against feeling controlled. These two and her writing generally is good for understanding control vs autonomy and the concept of giving children processing time.

Big Baffling Behaviours by Robyn Gobbel - great framework for recognising regulation "level" and lots of advice about what to do vs not to do at different "levels" as well as some broad overall advice about how to support regulation generally. This is probably the most practical book I've ever read for how to handle dysregulated behaviour in the moment. Top recommendation.

Books by Dr. Ross Greene - e.g. Raising Human Beings or The Explosive Child, his school-based book Lost and Found or his new one The Kids Who Aren't OK. They all cover the same method with a slightly different framing. This is more of a guide of how to navigate situations where children are being aggressive/defiant/violent because they don't have a better skill to manage the expectation - Dr. Greene says that this ALWAYS means a child is lacking a skill to better manage the situation. However, his method does not explicitly teach skills, or teach you to manage the explosive behaviour. It is more how to manage the situation when your child does not yet have the skill and isn't going to develop it overnight, sometimes by temporarily dropping the demand, sometimes by working out a way to handle the situation for now. I have noticed that people tend to struggle with this book/approach unless they understand this distinction.

funkystars123 · 05/09/2026 16:08

BertieBotts · 04/09/2026 23:23

I wonder if what the original post is trying to say is that actually, the majority of parents do not parent in a gold standard way. Most people are winging it. Most people fudge concepts and do a bit of a mishmash of whatever was good from their own childhood + what seems logical + things they have read / seen / heard from experts, books, TV, (etc) or other parents.

For NT children this doesn't tend to matter very much, ie it works, because getting it roughly right is absolutely enough. For the majority of children, developing better skills and behaviour happens naturally as a combination of natural development + opportunity to practice skills + life experience (both direct, ie the direct outcomes of their own decisions/behaviour, but also indirect ie seeing the outcomes of what happens to others around them, hearing stories from trusted people, hearing repeated stories from acquaintances/strangers/fiction and observing cultural narratives/norms) and they also tend to have a strong drive to fit in with socially compliant behaviour ie mimicking what they see modelled and accepted. (And accordingly, behaviour/healthy coping and communication skills can become skewed if the social norms around the child are skewed or if opportunities for practice and gaining experience are curtailed).

The role of parenting is essentially a fairly concentrated flavour of social approval/disapproval. It plays a not insignificant, but overall small role in how NT children grow up because the most important factor is the set of social norms that the child grows up within, which is partly set by their parents' own behaviour, a small amount by how their parents react to their behaviour and largely the ways that the majority of people around them (which are mostly selected, not necessarily consciously, by their own parents - this is the "Parents are gardeners not carpenters" theory). In that parents tend to socialise with other adults whose value systems they broadly share and tend to seek out environments for their children (e.g. schools, neighbourhoods, social clubs) where the value system is broadly shared. But this is also how, for example, children of immigrants tend to absorb more of the culture of their adopted country than their parents' culture of origin even if the parents are very keen to bring the children up with an understanding of their home culture.

With ND children the problem is partially that the natural development piece is not happening on time and/or the ability to pick up on cues for social norms or be influenced according to social norms is less proficient. And so parenting or other influences have to fill in a lot of gaps and this means that frequently, "winging it" or adhering roughly to common parenting principles isn't enough, because the child can't necessarily fill in the gaps with all this other information because they are not necessarily able to access it.

So it's not really that ND children are receiving worse parenting, most children receive parenting which is adequate but imperfect. But ND children might need closer to perfect parenting (which doesn't exist) to get the same effect.

Although there is a whole other factor about how ND child behaviour can actually influence parent response as well and factor in to ND children (the research centres on ADHD and I can try to find this) receiving more in the way of counterproductive parenting, to be blunt, because their behaviour is more irritating. It is difficult to talk about because you don't want to blame the child. And I don't think the research is blaming the child, but recognising that it can be extremely difficult to maintain consistency and calmness in the face of challenging behaviour.

I used to think this was the case but I am now not sure… we are very informed parents, I am a learning disability nurse by training and having 3 ND kids have read and researched many many different therapies and approaches. My daughter had engaged with us and is thriving, my son has never wanted to engage with any help, therapy, medication or any type of intervention.

We are low demand- not no demand intentionality, and practices parent all our kids. However, he is not thriving at all… it may be that without our support things would be much worse. He does function in some ways- had friends, play football.

We were pretty skilled in supporting his regulation. We used diet, exercise, coregualation and many other techniques when he was younger but since he’s being 14/15 he hasn’t engaged in anything that helps. It's a tough road to learn that however much you know what someone needs,
It's only them that can actually make the change..

The older I get the more I think of nature rather than nurture is key and I think hes got a fairly tricky set of genetics that have lead to a really hard personality.

funkystars123 · 05/09/2026 18:34

funkystars123 · 05/09/2026 16:08

I used to think this was the case but I am now not sure… we are very informed parents, I am a learning disability nurse by training and having 3 ND kids have read and researched many many different therapies and approaches. My daughter had engaged with us and is thriving, my son has never wanted to engage with any help, therapy, medication or any type of intervention.

We are low demand- not no demand intentionality, and practices parent all our kids. However, he is not thriving at all… it may be that without our support things would be much worse. He does function in some ways- had friends, play football.

We were pretty skilled in supporting his regulation. We used diet, exercise, coregualation and many other techniques when he was younger but since he’s being 14/15 he hasn’t engaged in anything that helps. It's a tough road to learn that however much you know what someone needs,
It's only them that can actually make the change..

The older I get the more I think of nature rather than nurture is key and I think hes got a fairly tricky set of genetics that have lead to a really hard personality.

Sorry for the terrible spelling in this post! On my phone..

Ponoka7 · 05/09/2026 18:42

T3Tim3 · 04/09/2026 07:19

“Yes, ND children often get parented in a way that is less effective.“

Your evidence for this? Because it’s not what I see. Parents of ND children are often the most skilled at parenting in very difficult circumstances . I’m often left in awe. Who are you to say how parents of ND children should parent?

I was having this discussion in the pub the other night. One of our friends grandson has adhd and his language is shocking. I hear mums getting called all kinds. My youngest (29) is autistic, went to SEN schools. I helped out in the schools. My eldest has adhd, she went to a PRU because she couldn't cope in high school. None of our children were using the language you hear today. Since when did being ND mean you can tell everyone around you to FO and call your Mum a slag?

Weeellokthen · 05/09/2026 18:48

newyorkbreakfast · 03/09/2026 06:50

I’m echoing the words of @SpanThatWorld; this is exactly my situation. I have one teen acing at school and friendships; he is polite, sensitive, socially engaged and sensibly moderate when it comes to social media. The other child, who takes up most of my time, is oppositional, defiant, takes risks, fails at school and has poor relations with classmates and adults. SS have already been involved. I can’t really think of anything more I can do but wait for maturity to kick in and hope that his stable family background will put him right in the end.

Teen behaviour is not solely related to what parents do or do not do in terms of discipline, connection to their child or boundaries set.

My ds was wild from about 7-15. He is a hard-working lovely 25yr old now.
I think our visit to the local police station, after an "invitation" (another fight) was a turning point for him (15) A great policeman took the time to talk to him and give him a "tour" of the cells, saying it's gonna be the big boys jail for you soon, son.
I will be forever grateful to that policeman for taking the time.

summershere99 · 05/09/2026 18:57

I agree to some extent. You read it on here quite a lot - teen has become violent, won't listen, has no respect, won't follow any rules etc.. and the OP is in a state of confusion and shock about where the behaviour comes from and wants someone to else to deal with said teen (school, social services). But then you read that the teen has, often, two or three much younger step-siblings, an absent / deadbeat dad, possibly witnessed domestic abuse growing up, and has SEN. But the parent (yes almost always a single mum unfortunately) is baffled by the teen's behaviour.

I think so much of it is down to trauma - but the kids are blamed and everyone on here tells them to kick the kid out. Most kids don't end up violent out of nowhere. For boys, I think a lot of it does stem from having shitty, abusive and absent dads.

People making ill-thought through life decisions (sometimes out of desperation) badly impact their child, but it's very difficult for them to accept that those decisions can and do lead to poor outcomes for their children and behaviour that's almost impossible to manage.

Mirrorxxx · 05/09/2026 19:01

Most children these days seem to totally lack any discipline. Screaming and shouting in public places without being told to behave. Tablets without headphones in restaurants. Parenting doesn’t seem to happen now

Moth2aflame · 05/09/2026 19:01

PassTheCranberrySauce · 05/09/2026 06:12

If your child has ADHD (he might be a bit young to have a diagnosis), then first line treatment is ADHD meds.

I spent the first few years of primary wondering what was ‘wrong’ with DS1 - when he started ADHD meds everything fell into place. The advantage of early-ish treatment is that they get used to being emotionally regulated and their behaviour improves beyond recognition even when they’re not taking medication (DS1 only takes it in school).

Meds are not always recommended, certainly aren’t for my child with adhd.

OonaStubbs · 05/09/2026 19:11

I think a lot of people need to employ critical thinking before they make the lifestyle choice to have children. It shouldn't be a case of just having them because "that's what you do innit" as if it is the natural order of things, those days are long gone.

PassTheCranberrySauce · 05/09/2026 19:29

Moth2aflame · 05/09/2026 19:01

Meds are not always recommended, certainly aren’t for my child with adhd.

Perhaps not, but they make a big difference to many children whose impulsivity and inability to concentrate is a barrier to positive choices and behaviour.

T3Tim3 · 05/09/2026 19:32

Ponoka7 · 05/09/2026 18:42

I was having this discussion in the pub the other night. One of our friends grandson has adhd and his language is shocking. I hear mums getting called all kinds. My youngest (29) is autistic, went to SEN schools. I helped out in the schools. My eldest has adhd, she went to a PRU because she couldn't cope in high school. None of our children were using the language you hear today. Since when did being ND mean you can tell everyone around you to FO and call your Mum a slag?

I work with ND , have ND children myself and ND nephews and nieces- I have never experienced this.

Qb2654 · 05/09/2026 19:50

I have two children, raised the same way, same home environment, same SEND labels. One is a massive challenge, the other is a dream.

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