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Miserylovescompanyx · 25/08/2026 19:17

I cant believe all these men who are attending protests and rallies against immigration and then using the argument that these illegals are raping and murdering women.

Funny how these men dont come out and protest when a white man commits these crimes... or do these men think that we, women, belong to the white man?

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SlappyHap · 25/08/2026 21:58

PenelopePinkerton · 25/08/2026 21:57

This is so far from my experience. I do live in a more affluent area and thus likely to have more educated males around.

I’m pleased you’ve had a nicer and safer upbringing. Sadly lots of us don’t.

Miserylovescompanyx · 25/08/2026 21:59

missmollygreen · 25/08/2026 20:55

How do you know?

Because every bad story is a fucking man.

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Panties4 · 25/08/2026 21:59

Look at the man who poured milk on himself today and caused delays on the Jubilee line

Miserylovescompanyx · 25/08/2026 22:00

RockItLikeRocketFuel · 25/08/2026 20:58

How big a chunk? Three quarters? Half? A quarter? Put a number on it.

This is a man x

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SnowFrogJelly · 25/08/2026 22:00

SlappyHap · 25/08/2026 20:52

They represent a big chunk of them.

No they don’t

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grinandslothit · 25/08/2026 22:05

Seem to have entirely too much time on their hands as well as money to waste on these flags and nonsense. If they were truly decent blokes they would spend that time on community service or mentoring youth in their area or even better yet spending more time doing things in their own home to help their own family. They don't though because they're not decent

RockItLikeRocketFuel · 25/08/2026 22:05

Miserylovescompanyx · 25/08/2026 22:00

This is a man x

If I'm calling you out on this it must be because I have a penis. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Troll, anyone?

CorporalJohn · 26/08/2026 12:14

They are vermin. End of. I doubt if many of them have ever done an honest day's work in their lives.

mbosnz · 26/08/2026 12:23

To me, this highly specific 'concern' for women and children, by men who give 'no fucks about women and children's safety' (to paraphrase a thread on a similar topic) is just another way in which these men seek to use and exploit women for their own selfish ends. To wit, to behave like mindless fucking thugs, but wiv a good reason, right?

Netcurtainnelly · 26/08/2026 13:01

SlappyHap · 25/08/2026 21:17

From experience. I live locally to one of the hotels that was smashed up and set on fire in August 2024.

All local men. I knew lots of them. I went to school with the man who arranged to have (cheap) England flags attached to all lampposts in our town. There was a gofundme set up for all the “patriots” to buy flags, ladders and cable ties. All local men who donated and got involved. I know most of them.

Yet they are all quiet when a local white man is convicted for domestic violence and/or sexual assault. Silent.

So from my lived experienced, it is a huge group of men, in my area. Granted, this will differ to a lot of people, especially people who live in more diverse or affluent areas. But this is my experience.

We've got enough problems of our own is the thinking behind that.

Why let unchecked immigrants in on boats who we know nothing about. It's adding to the problem.

Happyjoe · 26/08/2026 13:41

shuggles · 25/08/2026 21:53

Note that it's all young men.

My honest suspicion is that these are young men who get all of their information about the UK from internet porn, and that's what they expect when they come here. That's the only explanation for the behaviour we see from them.

Link to your facts please!

SlappyHap · 26/08/2026 13:47

Netcurtainnelly · 26/08/2026 13:01

We've got enough problems of our own is the thinking behind that.

Why let unchecked immigrants in on boats who we know nothing about. It's adding to the problem.

But that’s not really addressing OP’s point being made. If the concern is genuinely about crime and protecting women, then why is the focus so heavily on the nationality of the perpetrator? White British men commit violence against women too and we don’t see the same level of outrage or protests about that. You can be concerned about illegal immigration and still recognise that selectively caring about violence against women depending on who commits it is inconsistent.

RuinartRuination · 26/08/2026 13:54

Netcurtainnelly · 26/08/2026 13:01

We've got enough problems of our own is the thinking behind that.

Why let unchecked immigrants in on boats who we know nothing about. It's adding to the problem.

This.
We are stuck with our own, whatever colour they are.

But why import people from countries that have less than stellar reputations when it comes to the rights of women and girls.
If we have to produce pamphlets to let them know that rape is against the law here, then should we really be importing them in the first place?
if the “small boats” (albeit the vessels are getting bigger by the day), were full of women and children, I think there’d be a huge difference in the response from people. But they never are.

Happyjoe · 26/08/2026 14:03

RuinartRuination · 26/08/2026 13:54

This.
We are stuck with our own, whatever colour they are.

But why import people from countries that have less than stellar reputations when it comes to the rights of women and girls.
If we have to produce pamphlets to let them know that rape is against the law here, then should we really be importing them in the first place?
if the “small boats” (albeit the vessels are getting bigger by the day), were full of women and children, I think there’d be a huge difference in the response from people. But they never are.

See reply above yours, it's apt.

DeathNote11 · 26/08/2026 14:13

"Local men" receive much stiffer sentences & social ostracisation after release. "Local men" rarely attack female strangers peacefully going about their business.

I also live close to a hotel that was set on fire. It it so good to be able to use our local lake again now those men have been moved on. I'm grateful to the protesters for their part in ensuring women can once again use our local beauty spot unmolested.

SlappyHap · 26/08/2026 14:33

DeathNote11 · 26/08/2026 14:13

"Local men" receive much stiffer sentences & social ostracisation after release. "Local men" rarely attack female strangers peacefully going about their business.

I also live close to a hotel that was set on fire. It it so good to be able to use our local lake again now those men have been moved on. I'm grateful to the protesters for their part in ensuring women can once again use our local beauty spot unmolested.

We must live by each other. M lake?

You’re grateful for a bunch of uneducated violent knuckle draggers (with previous convictions for sexual crimes against children, domestic violence and more) for attacking police offices, putting LOCAL workers and residents in harms way and causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage?

Yeah, I fucking bet you are grateful🤣

How embarrassing.

And by the way “Local men rarely attack female strangers peacefully going about their business” is a false statement. But feel free to pull up some sources to back up your claim.

shuggles · 26/08/2026 23:12

Happyjoe · 26/08/2026 13:41

Link to your facts please!

It's common knowledge, and there are plenty of anecdotal examples online from men who speak to foreign men and gather their perceptions of the UK.

Have you seen the videos online of women walking around in the city centre late at night, drunk and with their knickers showing? Those videos are used by human trafficking gangs to entice young foreign men to the UK - that's known. They basically think the UK is a real life porn world.

The proof comes from how sexual offences are committed by British men vs foreign men.

When British men commit sex crimes, it happens in secret - that's because British men know that what they are doing is wrong. They have been told their whole lives that it is wrong to do anything sexual with a woman without her consent, so British men have absolutely no excuses.

When foreign men commit sex crimes... well, you have the example of an immigrant who literally started groping a woman in public, in a busy city centre, during day time, in full visibility of at least a dozen people. That's because he was completely unaware of the fact that this behaviour was wrong. He literally did not know that it's wrong to touch a woman without consent.

MyLimeGuide · 26/08/2026 23:23

CorporalJohn · 26/08/2026 12:14

They are vermin. End of. I doubt if many of them have ever done an honest day's work in their lives.

Lol all men are vermin and you doubt they have done an honest days work in their life!! Hilarious!

SnowFrogJelly · 27/08/2026 01:37

CorporalJohn · 26/08/2026 12:14

They are vermin. End of. I doubt if many of them have ever done an honest day's work in their lives.

😂

BlueSherbet · 05/09/2026 00:30

poachy · 25/08/2026 21:53

I respect people’s right to discuss immigration, legal annd otherwise, and what we collectively agree to. But in all you've said there, you've not really addressed the ops point to answer why are these men not incensed about british men sexually assaulting, raping and murdering ‘our women’? Which they do on the daily.

Maybe you can’t condemn anyone for protesting sexual crime by and illegal immegrant, but surely you can condemn protesting one but not the other?

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Hi,

I did address that point - I said anger about sexual violence is only part of the reason for the protests and that its absurd to criticise people for speaking out against such violence affecting women.

Men from places like afghanistan, pakistani, parts of africa etc are statistically significantly much more likely to rape or attack a woman, than is a european man.

Lots of these boat people come from barely functioning, savage societies, whereas european society has been civilised for centuries. While you get scumbags from all backgrounds, you cant ignore the obvious effect of cultural norms and values on a persons behaviour.

Saying the protesters point of view isn't valid because they haven't also said xyz is cynical and only a means of portraying them badly and shifting the focus of the conversation.

I haven't formally commented on new 20 mph speed limits in my city, does that mean I cant have an opinion on any other aspect of road safety?

BlueSherbet · 05/09/2026 00:32

SlappyHap · 25/08/2026 21:58

The UK doesn’t house and feed illegal immigrants.

The home office arrest/detain people who have no right to remain. Some people who aren’t detained stay within the community until their case is dealt with, but they don’t qualify for benefits and are not “housed and fed” by the government. Once their case is investigated and if they have no valid basis to stay they’re returned to their country of nationality.

People - mostly men - come here illegally and then make false asylum claims.

They then get accomodation, fed and given money and condoms and left to roam around formerly nice towns all day harrassing school girls and women.

Its costs us billions and inflates crime stats.

it must change.

SlappyHap · 05/09/2026 01:15

BlueSherbet · 05/09/2026 00:32

People - mostly men - come here illegally and then make false asylum claims.

They then get accomodation, fed and given money and condoms and left to roam around formerly nice towns all day harrassing school girls and women.

Its costs us billions and inflates crime stats.

it must change.

mostly men - come here illegally and then make false asylum claims.

Yes, home office data shows that men do make up the majority of asylum applicants ( roughly 70 to 75%) which makes sense because younger men often undertake the dangerous journeys first. The wives and children of these men follow legal channels once their husbands/fathers have their asylum claim granted and receive official travel documentation issued by the home office.

It is less likely for single females to “come here illegally” as traveling alone across Africa/middle east and mainland Europe face much higher risks of sexual abuse and human trafficking by smuggling networks.

Calling them “false claims” is just factually wrong. Official home office stats show 60 to 75% of initial asylum claims are approved and that number goes even higher after appeals. The vast majority of people coming here are legally recognised as real refugees fleeing war and persecution.

They then get accomodation, fed and given money and condoms and left to roam around formerly nice towns all day harrassing school girls and women.

As of recent home office figures Section 95 allowance is roughly £49.18 per person per week, or roughly £9.58 per week if in catered accommodation. They are legally prohibited from working whilst waiting for a decision on their claim. Do you expect them to sleep rough and starve?

The claim that asylum seekers drive up local crime rates and harass local girls isn’t supported by UK crime data. The Police Foundation and independent researchers (I.e the Migration Observatory at the university of Oxford) note that there is no evidence showing a direct correlation between the presence of asylum accommodation centers and an increase in local crime rates.

Its costs us billions.

True. A major driver of this cost is the backlog in processing claims, created by previous conservative legislation that legally paused decision making coupled with ongoing administrative and appeals delays, which leaves people dependent on state support for extended periods rather than entering the workforce, paying taxes and positively contributing to society.

The costs exist because domestic UK law (the 1999 Immigration and Asylum Act) and international law leave no alternative. The state is legally obligated to provide basic food and shelter so applicants don't end up destitute on the streets while waiting for a decision.

All other developed nations that signed the 1951 convention also spend billions supporting asylum seekers such as Germany, France, Sweden, Netherlands, Italy, Austria, Spain, USA, Canada, Australia.

Please stop getting your information from the likes of social media, Farage, Lowe, Tice, Yaxley, The Sun, Daily Mail et al. Please.

FrazzledHippy · 05/09/2026 01:47

We already have enough British rapists/peadophiles, we don't need to import more!

PollyBell · 05/09/2026 01:51

So there are no women at these rallies?