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Stopping the boats is easy...

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titbumwillypoo · 22/08/2026 15:47

All we have to do is abandon the ECHR, the Refugee Convention, the UN, the G7, NATO and the WTO. Then we can break maritime law and start sinking the boats. Obviously we'd have to proscribe the RNLI and change the job description of the coast guard to encourage people who want to sink boats to sign up. The fishermen will be fine.
Once we start with this deterrent we can start kicking out other undesirables. I'd start with the students. Coming over here using our universities as a gateway to benefits street. So we ban them, no more student visas. We might see a few universities close but no great loss, you learn more in the school of life.
After that take away access to ALL benefits for anyone not born here. Don't care if you've always worked and paid your taxes you're not ENGERLISH so less Dr Khalid more Dr Callum.
Obviously once we start making Britain Great again there may be a couple of teensy issues. Food might cost a lot more because the lefty EU might not want to trade with a nation that wants to isolate itself and kill innocent people. It'll be fine because there will be 100% employment because instead of benefits you'll have to do your 60 hours on the food farm to earn your pound credits.
Family will be legally obliged to look after any living relative as there won't be anyone left to do it because we deported them all. And obviously the NHS was full of loony lefties who went round caring for people instead of focusing on what really mattered, which is profit.
They're just a couple of the benefits of stopping the boats, because who cares about the bigger picture or unintended consequences eh?
Giving up our place on the world stage is a small price to pay for stopping a handful of people coming from countries we benefited from or bombed isn't it?

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GunnelVallquist · 27/08/2026 12:03

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 11:55

Who is responsible for ensuring a woman isn’t attacked with a glass by a man who shouldn’t be here I wonder. And who measures that failing

👏

Nuthatch26 · 27/08/2026 12:17

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 11:55

Who is responsible for ensuring a woman isn’t attacked with a glass by a man who shouldn’t be here I wonder. And who measures that failing

Well said.

UltimateSloth · 27/08/2026 12:56

I'm pretty ignorant about the complexity of international politics, but it strikes me that even if we refused every asylum seeker who arrived on a boat, people would probably still come by that route.

They would aim to get ashore without detection and work illegally. And we wouldn't know who was in the country or how many. At least now there is some documentation.

There is more to stopping the boats than the asylum process

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 13:09

UltimateSloth · 27/08/2026 12:56

I'm pretty ignorant about the complexity of international politics, but it strikes me that even if we refused every asylum seeker who arrived on a boat, people would probably still come by that route.

They would aim to get ashore without detection and work illegally. And we wouldn't know who was in the country or how many. At least now there is some documentation.

There is more to stopping the boats than the asylum process

Agree completely.

If it was easy to stop the boats the Conservatives would have done that in a heartbeat, or Labour would be doing it now. Every thinking person abhors the boats and stopping them would be a sure vote winner.

Some PP seem to think that Labour and the Conservatives don’t care about stopping the boats for reasons never articulated. I can only guess that these reasons don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Whereas only states that do not wish the UK well have an interest in destabilising us. We know of only one political party with proven ties to such a state (Russia), and that party is Reform.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 13:15

UltimateSloth · 27/08/2026 12:56

I'm pretty ignorant about the complexity of international politics, but it strikes me that even if we refused every asylum seeker who arrived on a boat, people would probably still come by that route.

They would aim to get ashore without detection and work illegally. And we wouldn't know who was in the country or how many. At least now there is some documentation.

There is more to stopping the boats than the asylum process

Yes if you ever look at how a much bigger country deals with it (Aus) they use language around stopping anyone entering illegally.

It’s a different political situation but one that is bipartisan and won’t be changed by the left either. It’s just a duty to citizens to use borders.

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 13:27

UltimateSloth · 27/08/2026 12:56

I'm pretty ignorant about the complexity of international politics, but it strikes me that even if we refused every asylum seeker who arrived on a boat, people would probably still come by that route.

They would aim to get ashore without detection and work illegally. And we wouldn't know who was in the country or how many. At least now there is some documentation.

There is more to stopping the boats than the asylum process

Australia also use their geography and certain tactics listed above in this thread that have proved controversial, to put it mildly, in the UK.

You may also have noticed the complete failure of any discussion on this thread about how to implement the Big Ideas so casually tossed around here. Hardly surprising, because the neutral experts who have been thinking about this for a long time, in the context of our larger place in the world, haven’t figured it out either.

GunnelVallquist · 27/08/2026 13:28

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 13:27

Australia also use their geography and certain tactics listed above in this thread that have proved controversial, to put it mildly, in the UK.

You may also have noticed the complete failure of any discussion on this thread about how to implement the Big Ideas so casually tossed around here. Hardly surprising, because the neutral experts who have been thinking about this for a long time, in the context of our larger place in the world, haven’t figured it out either.

But what is the solution then?

Because surely it can’t be shrugging our shoulders and say ‘Well there’s nothing we can do about it’?

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 13:31

GunnelVallquist · 27/08/2026 13:28

But what is the solution then?

Because surely it can’t be shrugging our shoulders and say ‘Well there’s nothing we can do about it’?

Of course we can change it. It’s been hard so far as the political mandate hasn’t been there.

The key difference between here and Aus isn’t the boats, water or whatever the pp has put it’s the external court system.

UltimateSloth · 27/08/2026 13:40

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 13:31

Of course we can change it. It’s been hard so far as the political mandate hasn’t been there.

The key difference between here and Aus isn’t the boats, water or whatever the pp has put it’s the external court system.

Australia also have a much larger, more dangerous expanse of water to cross than the English Channel, which probably makes a difference.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 13:40

@GunnelVallquistmy of course may be a bit strong to you, but seeing the same stuff over time when from the other side it’s much better not to have the chaos and risk is something.

Ik it’s harder due to external ties but not impossible.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 13:41

UltimateSloth · 27/08/2026 13:40

Australia also have a much larger, more dangerous expanse of water to cross than the English Channel, which probably makes a difference.

It’s not that. The crossings were high.

GunnelVallquist · 27/08/2026 13:44

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 13:40

@GunnelVallquistmy of course may be a bit strong to you, but seeing the same stuff over time when from the other side it’s much better not to have the chaos and risk is something.

Ik it’s harder due to external ties but not impossible.

Oh I agree, my question was really aimed at the pp who seems to imply that there are no solutions.

Brazillas · 27/08/2026 13:53

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 13:09

Agree completely.

If it was easy to stop the boats the Conservatives would have done that in a heartbeat, or Labour would be doing it now. Every thinking person abhors the boats and stopping them would be a sure vote winner.

Some PP seem to think that Labour and the Conservatives don’t care about stopping the boats for reasons never articulated. I can only guess that these reasons don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Whereas only states that do not wish the UK well have an interest in destabilising us. We know of only one political party with proven ties to such a state (Russia), and that party is Reform.

It is easy. Just ignore any laws requiring us to accept asylum seekers..leave the refugee convention. Detain and deport. The USA is party to all sorts but this current gov has ignored and even sent people back straight to Kabul

Brazillas · 27/08/2026 13:57

I've checked we've even sent 8 people back to Kabul

LuckyHazelFox · 27/08/2026 14:34

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 11:49

JTAC and MI 5 disagree with you.

The threat level was upgraded to Severe in May of this year. This means that an attempted terrorist attack within six months is likely. Home grown right wingers, the Chinese, the Russians and their proxy states as well as Islamist groups were listed as the likely perpetrators.

All of this information and more is contained in a public statement made by The Rt Hon Dan Jarvis, MP to Parliament in May explaining the upgrade. It is readily available online.

Islamic terrorism is thee biggest threat to Britain. It's not a case of all well as.

themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 14:49

GunnelVallquist · 27/08/2026 13:28

But what is the solution then?

Because surely it can’t be shrugging our shoulders and say ‘Well there’s nothing we can do about it’?

If governments stay paralysed with indecision eventually people will have had enough and will form vigilante groups. This is what the Greek fishermen did, and sailed out with poles with nails on the end.
Ever wondered why so few boats try and land in that area now?

MaturingCheeseball · 27/08/2026 14:53

People have been marching in Ceuta - around 7000 migrants remain.

themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 15:17

Brazillas · 27/08/2026 13:57

I've checked we've even sent 8 people back to Kabul

A pity we can't send the rest of them back seeing as Afghans are one of the groups most likely to commit sex crimes.

https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/freedom-of-information/february-2025-foi-2355119-25-sexual-crimes-committed-non-uk-nationals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/38431233/afghan-migrant-jailed-sex-attacks-three-women/

Brazillas · 27/08/2026 15:23

themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 15:17

Edited

Some MNers will not accept this premise at all

themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 15:31

Brazillas · 27/08/2026 15:23

Some MNers will not accept this premise at all

Well, that's up to them.
Only when it personally affects them will some take notice. When there are groups of male migrants gawping at their kids playing in the school playground they might sit up and take notice.
A pity it has to get to that stage.

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 16:03

GunnelVallquist · 27/08/2026 13:28

But what is the solution then?

Because surely it can’t be shrugging our shoulders and say ‘Well there’s nothing we can do about it’?

This is the big question for the whole of Western Europe. No one is shrugging their shoulders, quite the opposite. It is extremely depressing. Only demagogues are exploiting it.

EasternStandard · 27/08/2026 16:06

themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 14:49

If governments stay paralysed with indecision eventually people will have had enough and will form vigilante groups. This is what the Greek fishermen did, and sailed out with poles with nails on the end.
Ever wondered why so few boats try and land in that area now?

Idk you’ll still get posters saying nothing can be done. It suits their politics I assume.

We’re tied up with various laws rn but it’s not actually fixed. Things change.

BasildonBonds · 27/08/2026 16:10

themoonandhalfacrown · 27/08/2026 14:49

If governments stay paralysed with indecision eventually people will have had enough and will form vigilante groups. This is what the Greek fishermen did, and sailed out with poles with nails on the end.
Ever wondered why so few boats try and land in that area now?

We already have vigilantes shouting at hotels and setting houses on fire. Many of them have committed VAWG themselves.

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 16:10

I’ve said on similar threads that I am fine with deporting immigrants from any pathway soundly convicted of serious crimes. I don’t even care about refoulement in that case.

Unfortunately the wrinkle is that some of them have no other country willing or obliged to receive them.

Consistent with centuries of British law, refugees deserve the presumption of innocence unless such a conviction occurs. Some of those Afghans fought for Britain.

I thought the main problem was economic poseurs? Also the backlog in processing applications, which keeps young men clustered in awful circumstances for absurd lengths of time. There we agree.

poetryandwine · 27/08/2026 16:11

BasildonBonds · 27/08/2026 16:10

We already have vigilantes shouting at hotels and setting houses on fire. Many of them have committed VAWG themselves.

This.

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