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To think the most shocking thing about James VDB's death is...

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Hitthebestbooth · 12/02/2026 08:39

...that a famous actor, recognised worldwide for his role in Dawson's Creek (putting this in the first lines for the benefit of MNetters who love to comment 'who??' on these threads) struggled to pay for his cancer treatment? His death has left his family 'out of funds'.

Now, James Van der Beek had enough fame and affection from fans that a Go Fund Me has raised a lot to support his family already. But there must be countless families across America who are ruined by medical bills - if Dawson couldn't pay for his cancer treatment, how do non-famous people in ordinary jobs cope? What do their families do after they've been crippled by the costs and still lose their loved one along with their homes and security for their children?

As a millennial, I was so sad to read of James' death. I loved Dawson's Creek. But it makes me very afraid for a future where Farage gets his hands on the NHS and we find ourselves in this position too. I have plenty of bad experiences with our healthcare system and am not saying it's perfect. But if I or my husband are diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, we won't have to sell our possessions or ask friends and family for money or risk leaving our kids with no home after treatment costs. There are plenty of wealthy people out there eager to take the NHS apart and sell it off, and for all people say we'd get a European system and it would be improved, it seems far more likely that capitalist greed will win out and we'll actually get an American model.

James Van der Beek's death highlights just how ruinous that model is. He spent his illness selling off memorabilia and trying to raise money. He died knowing his family's finances were left decimated. And he was someone with more resources than most. It's a sobering indictment of how bad things can get, and I am truly afraid that a Reform government would put us all in that dystopian scenario.

There are all kinds of options I could put for a poll but I'm just trying to make it really simple.

YABU - US healthcare is fine
YANBU - US healthcare is a terrifying prospect

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Hitthebestbooth · 12/02/2026 15:41

Sedentarty · 12/02/2026 15:03

I agree re awful situation with US insurance.
The only problem is nhs care is pretty crap. Do we really think we would even have found his cancer before it was terminal. In USA they can have the checks that may have found it early, yearly colonoscopy
Here im sure it mut be at least 50 and probably 1 check?

On an inidividual level paying in uk for private medical insurance probably makes sense.
In uk i cant get treated for pcos/my throid. My kid is on a 3yr + asd waitlist. Waited 3 years for adhd diagnosis and now another 3m++ for meds.

A relative had a stroke but obviously didnt get diagnosed for days (probably partly because he didnt want to wait in a&e if it wasnt that. )

Its the meds mostly keeping older people alive here

Well his cancer wasn't found until Stage 3 and he obviously couldn't be cured as he died within a couple of years of diagnosis, so in terms of detection and prevention the US system didn't work for him. He became an advocate of early screening but clearly it was not a routine thing for people his age - he found out due to a change in bowel habits, not via screening. I have been languishing on an NHS waiting list for a gynae issue (women's health is shocking) but when I had a cancer scare I was seen immediately and my mind put at rest straight away.

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EstoyRobandoSuCasa · 12/02/2026 15:41

Magicpaintbrush · 12/02/2026 12:47

My DH has stage 4 bowel cancer and literally yesterday we were informed that he has "less than six months to live". It's like a black abyss opening up in front of you.

We have done our best to mitigate financial problems with life insurance, and have put me on his bank account as a joint account holder, applied for power of attorney, there will be a modest widows pension - but the truth is that even now, having kept on top of all those financial elements as best we can, we still don't know exactly what those numbers are going to look like when the time comes, or how long everything will take to settle down, or whether I will be left with a monthly shortfall. And all of this has to be sorted out while you are grieving, while you are suffering indescribable emotional pain - how do you do that? I think that if we had had to find money for treatment on top of all of this, well there is just no way. No way at all. We would have had to sell our home probably to do that, we don't have money to spare. I find it horrifying that the US system destroys families financially when they are struggling to cope with cancer treatment, it is completely inhumane. The whole process is hell on earth already without being financially ruined as well. We cannot and must not allow Farage to do this to our country.

I'm so sorry that you're going through this.

BruFord · 12/02/2026 15:09

@Over40Overdating This is also cost-related, but having lived in the US for several years now, I will say that the preventive care is much better than in the UK. We have annual physicals, mammograms offered every year from 40 onwards, plus it’s much easier to see a consultant. My children are registered with a pediatrician, for example, they don’t see a GP.

Of course it’s designed to save insurance companies money as conditions will be detected and treated early, I.e., it’s less expensive.

Sedentarty · 12/02/2026 15:03

I agree re awful situation with US insurance.
The only problem is nhs care is pretty crap. Do we really think we would even have found his cancer before it was terminal. In USA they can have the checks that may have found it early, yearly colonoscopy
Here im sure it mut be at least 50 and probably 1 check?

On an inidividual level paying in uk for private medical insurance probably makes sense.
In uk i cant get treated for pcos/my throid. My kid is on a 3yr + asd waitlist. Waited 3 years for adhd diagnosis and now another 3m++ for meds.

A relative had a stroke but obviously didnt get diagnosed for days (probably partly because he didnt want to wait in a&e if it wasnt that. )

Its the meds mostly keeping older people alive here

Over40Overdating · 12/02/2026 14:57

@user37597473785 well thank god someone as brick headed as you isn’t in charge. Anyone with a current chronic illness would either be gouged or uninsurable for any cover right now.

Because of my illness 20 years ago, and its complexity, I cannot get life, health, critical illness, income or travel related insurance. I have used brokers, I’ve gone directly, I’ve consulted specialist firms. No one will touch me despite the fact my condition has meant I get incredibly thorough check ups every year and have a better picture of my health and future outcomes than most people.

Now think about people with asthma, diabetes, PMS, PCOS, mental health issues - under a mandatory insurance system they are screwed on premiums. Did you know that even getting a positive change result on a smear can invalidate all health related insurance packages?

Health insurance, especially under the US model, is a money making business. It will seek to screw you over in every way it can before it has to cover any cost. It’s about as supportive to health outcomes as those ads promoting the health benefits of smoking were.

Does the NHS need support in restructuring - yes. That restructuring is not because of ‘immigrants’ coming and treating it like a health spa. It’s because of purposeful, chronic under investment by the previous government specifically to run it into the ground and break it into parts for private firm shareholders to pick up.

canuckup · 12/02/2026 14:52

Yup. It's not as appealing as it used to be, obviously, but why anyone would think it's the land of milk and honey is sorely mistaken

Dontlletmedownbruce · 12/02/2026 14:45

Sorry haven't rtft but I don't really think you can compare US with UK or anywhere else. It's an entirely different system and unless we are familiar with the system then there is no point in discussing the financial position of one individual. All I can say in relation to that is that if I was in a country where health insurance was impossible without a regular stable job, then I would have gotten a regular and stable job. If that meant giving up my creative outlet, then so be it. Its simple as that. Most people do that to pay the mortgage or rent.

Im not in UK so won't comment on that either, but where i am the difference in public and private is stark. I have a friend who was a single mum on a low income for years and no matter how bad things got she paid her private health insurance, i appreciate there are those on even lower income that literally can't afford this, but believe me when i say money was tight. No holidays for years and years, sometimes housebound for a weekend because she didn't have cash for petrol. She is very ill now possibly terminal and is getting top rate care privately. Yes she would still get treatment on the public system but given the nature of her illness she would probably not have detected it without immediate intervention so its very likely she would not have survived so far. Her careful financial planning is what is keeping her alive for now.

BruFord · 12/02/2026 14:32

We have a friend who is fighting recurring cancer (we’re in the US) and what we’ve learnt from him is that even with good health insurance, which he has, some treatments aren’t covered. It’s like the NHS, they won’t always pay for the latest, very expensive treatments.

Our friend has been having an experimental treatment for the last two years that seems to be keeping the cancer at bay, but he has to pay for it. It wouldn’t surprise me if James was in a similar position-the conventional treatments weren’t working so they tried treatments that weren’t covered. His poor family to lose him so young. 💐

nomas · 12/02/2026 14:23

Piglet89 · 12/02/2026 14:17

Did she really do that?! God I loved her before but now she’s elevated to almost saint status.

It's just jobs for friends, not candidacy for sainthood.

Those jobs would have gone to other struggling actors anyway.

nomas · 12/02/2026 14:21

berlinbaby2025 · 12/02/2026 14:16

Surely selling the house would have been a better option rather than struggling and when that money is gone it’s at that stage you’d sell memorabilia and crowd fund - am I missing something here?

It seems the memorabilia was sold to raise money for a cancer charity, which is noble but seems misguided.

minipie · 12/02/2026 14:20

berlinbaby2025 · 12/02/2026 14:16

Surely selling the house would have been a better option rather than struggling and when that money is gone it’s at that stage you’d sell memorabilia and crowd fund - am I missing something here?

Yes I agree but I don’t know the full facts. Maybe it is heavily mortgaged. Maybe the article I read is wrong.

Piglet89 · 12/02/2026 14:17

Ginmonkeyagain · 12/02/2026 08:47

It is shocking. One of my favourite things about Angela Landsbury is she used to create guest roles for older and out of work actors on Murder She Wrote so their medical insurance continued to be valid.

Did she really do that?! God I loved her before but now she’s elevated to almost saint status.

berlinbaby2025 · 12/02/2026 14:16

minipie · 12/02/2026 14:11

I believe he does (or rather his estate does) own a property in Beverley Hills. They rented the ranch they live at to test out rural living. So it’s not like he doesn’t have any assets. The problem is that his huge medical bills will eat up the property’s value.

Surely selling the house would have been a better option rather than struggling and when that money is gone it’s at that stage you’d sell memorabilia and crowd fund - am I missing something here?

minipie · 12/02/2026 14:11

berlinbaby2025 · 12/02/2026 13:59

I can’t understand or have no way of knowing where all that money went, when he was at the height of his career? His fee for The Rules of Engagement (filmed in 2001) must have been in the high six figure ball park, enough to buy outright a big-ish house. $770k per season of Dawson Creek. How could he have ended up renting?

I believe he does (or rather his estate does) own a property in Beverley Hills. They rented the ranch they live at to test out rural living. So it’s not like he doesn’t have any assets. The problem is that his huge medical bills will eat up the property’s value.

NooNooHead · 12/02/2026 14:04

SnoopyPajamas · 12/02/2026 13:10

The American system is barbaric, but Americans accept it because it's all they've ever known. They think it's just the way the world works. Even with that, it's becoming more and more of a political issue. It's much more widely talked about then it used to be, despite efforts to shut the conversation down by branding it all socialist propaganda.

There is a real groundswell of anger building up, which was most evident in the reactions to health insurance mogul Brian Thompson being shot dead in the street in 2024. People were pleased that he died. They laughed. They celebrated it. They wanted to see him and his ilk fear for their lives. I suspect a majority felt this way, even if they were smart enough not to say so out loud. Even if they wouldn't have picked up the gun themselves, they were still satisfied at the outcome - which is a major shift, and a dangerous one. I doubt this shooting will be the last instance of such violence in America.

Because the blueprint has been established now, for how to do this effectively. How to get the public on side. You don't go crazy and shoot up your local insurance office full of ordinary people doing their jobs. No. You do a surgical strike against the people at the top making millions off all that misery. Then much of the public stays on your side, and a significant portion of them will turn out to support you. Last I heard, Mangione's trial was scheduled for June? I'm sure this conversation will come roaring back to life in the American consciousness as the date draws nearer. They've taken the death penalty off the table, but it's difficult to see any outcome that doesn't pour more fuel on the fire of all this. And for many, the lesson will have already been learned, and the example set. As with mass shootings, imitators are almost guaranteed. It's not a case of if this will happen again, but when, and what the consequences will be.

Now, to the UK.

Farage is already considered by much of his original voter base to be someone who sold out their values and let the party become Tory-lite. The middle class podcast sphere likes to talk about Farage as if he's an immensely talented politician, with some sort of aura of charisma. He really isn't. He's a froggy little man with the soul of a Tory, and the party eventually morphing into the Conservatives under a new name was an obvious possibility, right from the start of all this. I don't believe most people voted Farage because they loved the man himself. (Despite the attempts on both sides to pretend he's got a cult of personality akin to Donald Trump.) He may not realise it, but he was only ever a tool for people to express their anger at the system.

The disaffected working class who carried Farage through Brexit have already begun to turn on him. He's shown his true colours, and they don't want another toff selling them out, and watering down his promises. Many have already ditched him for Advance, or Tommy Robinson. Or they're starting to believe politics only serves the rich, and can no longer be an effective way for them to get anything they want out of life. These days, when I hear worried conversations about the possibility of Reform getting in in the next election, the fear is not that the working class will vote them in. It's that a disaffected middle class will. That says everything about the current position of the party.

Anyway. In the scenario you're imagining, Farage gets in, and then he guts the NHS and brings in an American style healthcare system, where the cost of care brings ordinary Britons to their knees. Don't get me wrong - I don't disagree that he's greedy and venal enough to want that, or even arrogant enough to try it. I just think you can only push people so far. The healthcare model Americans have is all they've ever known, and their country's history means "socialist healthcare is Communism in disguise!" is still effective to this day in shutting down debate. But generations of Brits have grown up with the NHS, and McCarthyite taboos hold no power here. People won't just roll over on something that affects their lives in such a real way. There will be a fight. Not for the ideal of the NHS, but the actual reality of it. It will get ugly.

Historically, Britain is seen as quite a docile country. We're not seen as a country of revolution and uprisings. But any student of history will know this isn't quite true. Things can get as bloody on these shores as anywhere else, if the right conditions are in place. And if Farage was to get into government under the premise that Reform is the last chance democracy has of working for the people . . . and then he shits all over the poor and the working class and the lower middle class, the same way Tory and Labour have done . . . and then he takes away the NHS?

It ends with his head on a pike.

"Froggy little man"...! Brilliant 👏🏻 sums him up quite excellently!

Eskarina1 · 12/02/2026 14:03

dampmuddyandcold · 12/02/2026 09:36

After reading [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2n644l44o www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2n644l44o I’m not massively optimistic about the long term sustainability or indeed integrity of the NHS.

Read "still not safe" by Wears and Sutcliffe. Major safety failings are not unique to the UK

minipie · 12/02/2026 14:01

Vaguelyclassical · 12/02/2026 13:55

This is a smart post. Somebody in the States working in a fairly mundane job that happened to have a really good benefits package and had health coverage that didn't have huge deductibles and hard limits on certain kinds of expenses would be in a far better situation than somebody who is having to fund their own health insurance. An actor is de facto self-employed.

Yes it’s interesting. The USA champions itself as the land of the entrepreneur, the risk takers, the small business that might just make it big. And yet, their health system encourages people to stick with safe employment for the insurance, rather than forge out on their own.

berlinbaby2025 · 12/02/2026 13:59

I can’t understand or have no way of knowing where all that money went, when he was at the height of his career? His fee for The Rules of Engagement (filmed in 2001) must have been in the high six figure ball park, enough to buy outright a big-ish house. $770k per season of Dawson Creek. How could he have ended up renting?

Farmhouse1234 · 12/02/2026 13:57

Scramado · 12/02/2026 09:08

That’s not luck, that’s basic life planning. It blows my mind the number of people that don’t have life assurance / critical illness / income protection then complain about benefits being too low to live on. Trying not getting your nails done and make proper provision instead.

Thr NHS funding model needs to be scrapped and started again by Keir Starmer. It’s just not working. We want a European funding model. What would be disastrous is if he didn’t have the balls to do it, it fell to Farage to fix and then we’d definitely get a US model and we’d be fucked.

Come on Keir, don’t be such an idiot!

I do sort of agree with you. But I’m not able to get critical illness cover due to a long term chronic health condition. Even though it isn’t linked to earlier death, even though I’m working FT, never had time off due to it. Been through all options with various brokers and had to settle for something that costs a fortune but only covers me for a few limited conditions.

Vaguelyclassical · 12/02/2026 13:55

goldtrap · 12/02/2026 09:02

Well, ignoring your clickbait .... title

if Dawson couldn't pay for his cancer treatment, how do non-famous people in ordinary jobs cope?

You mean Van der Beek? (Or do you mean Dawson the TV series?)

VDB was in a famously unstable profession. After Dawson's he had piecemeal acting jobs. He was not a home-owner. He had 6 kids. Likely if he were in a regular profession he could have organised health insurance a part of his employment package.

Of course healthcare in the US is expensive and yes, the model is seriously flawed. But you are BU to suggest that 'non-famous' people = financial ruin. It's really disingenous.

This is a smart post. Somebody in the States working in a fairly mundane job that happened to have a really good benefits package and had health coverage that didn't have huge deductibles and hard limits on certain kinds of expenses would be in a far better situation than somebody who is having to fund their own health insurance. An actor is de facto self-employed.

FlowerUser · 12/02/2026 13:51

nearlylovemyusername · 12/02/2026 13:40

You believe that electorate is rational and sufficient majority have two brain cells to rub together. They consistently prove they aren't / don't

Every vote he has won has always been a protest, including Brexit. His support is very shallow but in European elections and the referendum, enough votes were cast in large regions, or across the UK in a low turnout election to give him the win. Even the seats won at the general election were in low turnout areas where people feel very hard done by economically.

He is never going to win in more affluent areas or in areas with high numbers of graduates. The Tory vote is in more danger from the LibDems than Reform.

The next election isn't for at least 2 years and could be further away. I'm not saying that Labour or the Tories will win it, but Farage won't win it either and it's very unlikely that he would have enough seats that any other party would want to go into coalition with him.

Added to that is the ageing demographic of Reform voters who will be dead at the next election and that the cost of living crisis is already being relieved. I know you won't believe me but the increase in minimum wage and the removal of the two child benefit cap in April, as well as a significant drop in heating and electricity bills, will mean people won't feel as poor as they do right now. When people feel comparatively richer they stop caring so much about immigration.

Johnogroats · 12/02/2026 13:50

DH is a senior manager in the NHS and would agree the major issue is the aging population, MIL and my Dad have (in their 80s) had more use of the NHS in the past 5 years than the preceding 80. They’ve had more time in hospital than the rest of our collective families put together, and by some margin. Not sure what the answer is but with statins and modem medicine extending life expectancy. It’s only going to get worse.

minipie · 12/02/2026 13:47

Farage is never going to have enough electoral support to win a majority in Parliament.

That’s what many people thought about Brexit - voters couldn’t be so stupid as to vote for something barely thought through and with lots of potential pitfalls, based only on a few unbelievable promises and a dash of jingoism.

Turns out yes the voters can be that stupid.

Johnogroats · 12/02/2026 13:45

HappyFace2025 · 12/02/2026 10:58

You are very fortunate to have employer provided medical insurance. Is it a benefit in kind? I wonder what the cost would be if you had to pay for it yourself especially with all pre existing conditions being covered.

I had Bupa over through work, yes a benefit in kind, but there were exclusions…. I’d had a hip replacement done privately. It’s all good, but if it needed a further look or went wrong (as they may do after 15-20 years) it would not be covered.

minipie · 12/02/2026 13:44

What is killing our health systems is to a large degree the poor lifestyle choices we make.

And an ageing population. And expecting a nationally funded health service (whether UK or a European model) to cover absolutely everything including very expensive cutting edge drugs and technologies. It’s not sustainable. And due to demographics this problem is only going to get worse.

IMO we need to have a conversation about limiting what is available on the NHS. That’s not an easy conversation but it’s better than sticking heads in the sand and having hidden limits (gatekeeping, endless waiting lists, poor care due to overstretched resources) instead.

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