Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY! - Thread 2

I sleep like a baby hoping that girls are better protected in the future from boys and young men who pretend to be girls.

For the record:
Men and Boys who attend Girl Guides are kept away from the girls and their toileting, changing or sleeping arrangements.

Men and boys who attend Girl Guides who pretend they are Women and Girls are not, they are allowed to pretend to be Women and Girls for all purposes. Including sharing sleeping arrangements.

That is the issue. It really is not difficult to understand.

It is also where the Sturdy Pyjamas suggestion originally came from, on this very forum. Why should girls have to wear 'sturdy pyjamas' to protect themselves from boys who are pretending to be girls in the first place?

No one is attacking anyone.

We are simply pointing out that trans girls are BOYS and therefore have no place in single sex spaces for girls.

Sympathy has actually been shown for the boys mixed up in this. They have been lied to by adults who ought to know better.

There is nothing wrong with boys liking stereotypically girl things, but they are not and can never BE girls. Spaces for girls free from all boys including trans girls is important for girls for lots of reasons that have been discussed upthread.

These boys will be welcomed into the scouting organisation which is mixed sex.

I didn’t even notice that, Helle.

Great spot!

Nah, bruv.

That’s a laughable insult, quite frankly.

We all sleep like babies.

Organisations have been far too tolerant for far too long.
It was never legal, in the first place. FWS have accomplished so much.

GG’s craven public statement shows the contempt they still have for girls.
They’re still prostrating themselves on the pink and blue altar.

You seem horrifically confused.

Men cannot become women. Boys cannot become girls. Misogyny is indeed a terrible problem, but it is a problem for the females of the species, not the men.

What do you think is 'intolerant' about the fact that humans can't change sex and that single sex groups should not (by law) admit any opposite sex members?

The transphobia in this thread makes me feel absolutely sick. I don't know how you sleep at night being this comfortable attacking young trans girls. Cis MEN are still allowed to be in the space with young girls, yet everyone is concerned about young girls trying to find a safe space to be themselves? I think we've all lost the plot when we start attacking eachother instead of understanding the real issue here, which is misogyny.

Did everyone notice that it is not the GG flag that is used as the thumbnail? That says all that needs to be said.

Didn’t take long for the homophobes to rear their head did it 🙄

This is the most shocking thing of all.

Before all this nonsense, I knew misogyny existed in the world.

However, it wasn't until I saw all these people falling over themselves to put male needs/demands before women's actual rights and safety that I understood how horrifically prevalent it is.

Anyone who has supported this to the detriment of women/girls should be heartily ashamed.

I do yes. And I understand the petition is unlikely to do anything. But it still important for people to put a voice to signify unhappiness that some people feel as society becomes less and less tolerant of the other.

I wonder whether the posters who believe that the word ‘girl’ and ‘woman’ can be used to include the very opposite meaning than the original and established intention, understand that ‘female’ has also been rendered meaningless as well.

Upton, McKinnon/Ivy, and many notable other male people have been very up front that they are ‘female’ because they want to be described by that word.

Even if the posters on this thread have their personal limits to which words they will and will not agree to being rendered meaningless because that word now means the opposite to what was the original meaning, all the words that were uniquely for female people as a sex class and a political segment have already been misused.

It must take some very determined siloing of thought to not understand the ramifications of this. It is anti-feminist. Allowing the words for the needs to female people to be misused in this way is an act of misogyny.

Boys, tho, @MrsOvertonsWindow

We must never say ‘no’ to the boys.

That flag tells you everything about how little anyone signing it cares about the needs and welfare of girls

So it seems

God, do i hate that flag.

stupid is as stupid does.

I’d be embarrassed to have posted that. 😬

it’s the law. You can do as many petitions as you like, but you can’t overturn a supreme court clarification of the actual law of the land.

You do understand that this petition is asking them to break the law?

For anyone that wishes to object to the decision there is a petition available (apologies if this has already been shared).

https://www.change.org/p/allow-transgender-women-and-girls-back-into-girlguiding-uk

When I was volunteering, the leader I volunteered for told us that all the local leaders were very very careful about this. They all knew they couldn’t speak out but none of them supported this.

Another point to remember here is that we have direct knowledge of male doctors who use the term ‘female’ for themselves.

Remember Upton said he would present himself if a woman or girl asked for a female doctor. And would expect that woman or girl to say ‘no, someone else please’ before he would leave.

This is not respect. And this is not consent being respected.

This is what happens when language is twisted to suit the individual and not the collective society.