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WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 15:07

Disabled son is nearly 4 but intellectually functions at the level of maybe an 18-month-old. Nonverbal, responds to his name and a few individual words like “eat” but that’s it.

He is incredibly hyperactive and from the moment he wakes up is running around screaming continuously in either joy or anger, pulling things off shelves, melting down and kicking and biting.

Now he is also constantly attacking his sister, who is 6 months old. I of course prevent him from getting within reach of her as much as possible but he still manages to slap, kick, bite, hit her with a weapon of some kind at least once a day, often more. When he can’t reach her he just screams as loudly as he can as close to her as he can, which makes her cry.

She is obviously terrified in her own home. She flinches when she hears him coming down the hall. She often preemptively starts crying when she sees him.

I am losing my mind with guilt and worry over the long and short term harm this is doing to her. What can I do?

Our home is tiny (2 small bedrooms, tiny kitchen and bathroom) and there’s no garden or anything so it’s hard to keep them apart.

He sometimes seems amused by being told off, but mostly doesn’t seem to even notice. I’ve tried ignoring it too but that also doesn’t work.

Ive tried shutting him in his room for a few minutes but he then becomes hysterical which is awful and just doesn’t help.

What can I do? I have no doubt he would actually kill her if they were ever alone together for even a few minutes, but of course I’m careful that never happens.

OP posts:
WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 18:42

Scottishskifun · 11/11/2025 18:24

@WhaleRiders many of the local charities aren't only Autism many are special needs as well which your son will fall into.

I'm not sure where you are based in North East Scotland there is one call SensationAll which offers practical advice as well as information.

Singing hands is online and is for a wide range and teaches signing through singing play and games which might also help.

Thank you. I’m in the Central Belt. I’ll look into those.

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WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 18:42

JingleBongle · 11/11/2025 18:30

I’m surprised you even had a second baby op. This is a huge problem.

I don’t think we would have if he’d been like this when I got pregnant. He was a bit hyper then but not anything like now, and also far less violent. He did always have meltdowns but they were fairly contained.

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CareerChange24 · 11/11/2025 18:33

HeyGuysItsNicole · 11/11/2025 16:59

A lot of people are determined to be offended when it comes to abuse and SEN.
there's thread after thread on this web page with young kids (lots of girls) getting assaulted and abused by SEN kids, but the protection just isn't there for the victims when SEN is involved. You see it on here all the time. 'You're talking about a disabled child' - yes, I know, but regardless of the child's disability it's not going to aid the pain or make the attacks any less impactful for the victim is it? This is a young baby being hit and injured.

I am a prime example of not being protected. There was a boy with Asperger's on my estate who always hung around with us younger girls playing. The parents pushed it and pushed it because he 'had special needs.'

the boy raped me when I was 8 years old.

women and girls need protecting, no matter the relation, age or disability and I'm sick to the back teeth of it getting down played on here.

before i get flamed, i an ND myself and so is my DD.

It’s abuse with an excuse.
So very sorry that happened to you.

JingleBongle · 11/11/2025 18:30

I’m surprised you even had a second baby op. This is a huge problem.

Scottishskifun · 11/11/2025 18:24

@WhaleRiders many of the local charities aren't only Autism many are special needs as well which your son will fall into.

I'm not sure where you are based in North East Scotland there is one call SensationAll which offers practical advice as well as information.

Singing hands is online and is for a wide range and teaches signing through singing play and games which might also help.

WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 18:11

Thank you to all who have taken the time to reply. I’m working my way through everything!

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WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 18:05

Bagsintheboot · 11/11/2025 15:30

The problem with this is that it's all predicated on him staying small. As he gets bigger this won't work.

He's going to grow, as will his sister. It will become increasingly difficult to keep them apart when they're both mobile.

It is better to get help now rather than wait until it's too late and his sister ends up seriously injured or worse.

Just using this post to say we do expect him to keep developing. He will probably never function at anything like an adult level but he does learn and change all the time.

A lot of people have understandably assumed he’s autistic given how I’ve described his behaviour, but he actually has a very rare genetic condition.

This means while he does have a lot in common with autistic children in terms of meltdowns, lack of verbal skills, sensory issues etc, he is actually very socially motivated and socially engaged. So we hope that this current aggression may be a phase we can get him out of with the right strategies (I am just at a bit of a loss as to what those are).

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WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 17:53

mygrandchildrenrock · 11/11/2025 15:30

Even though your son is only young, do you have an Education, Health & Care Plan (EHCP) for him? If not, please ask nursery to start the process or you can do that yourself.
I am a retired Headteacher and we had twin boys who sound very much like your son. They were with me one term, and then got a placement in a Special School Nursery Class. We had funding from the Local Authority for additional staff for the term they were with me.
It must be so hard for you, the twins’ mum said she couldn’t have another baby because her boys would kill it, not intentionally, but because they had no understanding of danger/harmful behaviour. Having the twins in nursery, I fully understood what she meant and empathised with her.
Have you contacted Children’s Services? They may offer Early Help, who could come round once a week. Don’t worry about seeking help and support, it can literally be a lifeline for you.
Is there a specialist group at your local children’s centre? The twins used to go to a Special Needs group once a week without mum. I think Portage were also involved, although your son is almost too old for their services.
Sorry if this is a lot of information, but you and your children really do sound like you need help and support, there often is some out there it’s just a case of knowing where to go.
I really do hope you get some support, extra nursery sessions or anything else that will help you and your children.

Thank you for this very thoughtful post. This is the kind of practical advice I need. I’m actually not in England so not all of this will apply, but there may be alternatives to children’s centres etc here. You are so right about just needing to find out about support. That’s been the hardest thing.

He is under the care of various specialists including a paediatrician and a geneticist as well as of course his health visitor, but they’re not great at signposting us to relevant support. When we have asked their suggestions seem pretty random. Online I have struggled to find local disability groups that aren’t focused on autism. There is some overlap but he is not autistic.

He has had support in the past from an NHS physio and a speech therapist but they were pretty useless to be honest, which has left me feeling a bit pessimistic about the help available.

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Whichone2024 · 11/11/2025 17:40

I think if you contact your local council they can give you information on residential care and help you with seeking assessment. I know there are some that take from 4.
they provide more one to one support to meet needs that understandably can’t be provided in the home. I know it will be a worrying thought but it may be for the best and may not be forever.
my nephew ended up in residential care because of his high needs and he’s so happy all the time there and can visit anytime.

WhaleRiders · 11/11/2025 17:40

BreakingBroken · 11/11/2025 15:19

Where is the father?

Father is great, lives with us but is usually out at work from 7.30-6.30. As I’m on mat leave I’m alone with them during the week. Weekends are easier.

Daughter has a full-time nursery place from when I go back to work in 6 months (different nursery from her brother as he needed one with better SEN experience). So I am hoping that things will become easier.

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SomethingInnocuousForNow · 11/11/2025 17:37

Ticklyoctopus · 11/11/2025 17:33

So many posters seem to think you can just phone social services, say the sibling is in danger and they’ll wave a magic wand and find him a wonderful local adoptive family, it just doesn’t work this way. Social services prioritise the highest risk children - kids that are being beaten up by their parents, or the parents are addicted to drugs and prostituting, or the parents are in jail/dead. OP’s son is not going to come close to the top of this list - and it’s doubtful they would consider DD at the top of the list either as her brother is 3 and therefore not seen as a violent neglectful adult.

I mean if one of the hurled toys has caused a skull fracture (quite easy on a newborn baby), Children’s Social Care absolutely will be intervening. I agree with another poster though, if it ever got to removal stage it would be the baby who was removed, not the older child.

Ticklyoctopus · 11/11/2025 17:33

So many posters seem to think you can just phone social services, say the sibling is in danger and they’ll wave a magic wand and find him a wonderful local adoptive family, it just doesn’t work this way. Social services prioritise the highest risk children - kids that are being beaten up by their parents, or the parents are addicted to drugs and prostituting, or the parents are in jail/dead. OP’s son is not going to come close to the top of this list - and it’s doubtful they would consider DD at the top of the list either as her brother is 3 and therefore not seen as a violent neglectful adult.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 11/11/2025 17:32

Mogwatch · 11/11/2025 17:24

@HeyGuysItsNicole what happened to you is horrific, I'm so sorry.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's ok that the baby is being hurt. But it really isn't the case that OP just phones SS and they'll step in and remove the disabled child. The problem is finding the support that is desperately needed to get the family out of crisis.

Your own history is going to make this all super triggering for you but here OP is looking for mechanisms to keep her baby safe. I think the solution many PPs seem to be serving up to her - having the older one put into care - is deeply, deeply unrealistic. That doesn't mean I think it's fine for the baby to be in danger. No one is saying that's ok. But options for families in this situation are very limited and OP needs professional advice, not people making incorrect assumptions about what is possible.

This is so well put. Also, applies to people suggesting that the 4 year old is medicated. It isn't going to happen, it just doesn't work like that.

OP does need to tell Children’s Social Care though, because there have been incidents where a 6 month old baby (and presumably when she was younger too) has not been protected from serious harm and there is a risk of further significant harm.

Some of the suggestions on here are pretty solid and some are also coming from extensive experience. I have two severely disabled children and they have both been very violent in the past. Touch wood (definitely don't want to tempt fate), we have been able to prevent any real harm because we have learnt (very fast) how to adapt to the situation.

OP - when my eldest was 4 he was really violent, completely non verbal and it was a nightmare. He is now verbal and so gentle and cries at the thought of other people getting hurt. You really never know how they'll develop.

Mogwatch · 11/11/2025 17:24

@HeyGuysItsNicole what happened to you is horrific, I'm so sorry.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's ok that the baby is being hurt. But it really isn't the case that OP just phones SS and they'll step in and remove the disabled child. The problem is finding the support that is desperately needed to get the family out of crisis.

Your own history is going to make this all super triggering for you but here OP is looking for mechanisms to keep her baby safe. I think the solution many PPs seem to be serving up to her - having the older one put into care - is deeply, deeply unrealistic. That doesn't mean I think it's fine for the baby to be in danger. No one is saying that's ok. But options for families in this situation are very limited and OP needs professional advice, not people making incorrect assumptions about what is possible.

Whatabouterytoutery · 11/11/2025 17:20

Another thing there seems to be an impression that there is no potential for improvement in the longer term, while there are no guarantees even with a developmental delay children do develop over time.

Also decisions made for an older child might have less traumatic impact than those for a 4 year old.

BauhausOfEliott · 11/11/2025 17:04

People who are saying 'just have him removed from the home and put into care' seem to think this is a lot more simple than it actually is, on both an emotional and a practical level.

This is the OP's own child. If he needs residential care one day, then so be it, but I don't think many parents would find it at all easy to put their own four-year-old into care, no matter how difficult the situation.

OP, you've had much better and more compassionate advice here than you're getting from the people saying 'lock him up' or 'have him removed', so I hope you'll get some professional support. This must be an incredibly difficult situation for you; I can't begin to imagine how hard it must be on every level.

Hundies100 · 11/11/2025 17:03

I have no experience of this but just wanted to say I wouldn’t judge anyone in this situation. It’s one of those you never thought would be you and no-one is equipped to deal with it when it is.

I watched a BBC iPlayer program (I think) on some women with pre-teen/teen DCs who had complex needs. Mostly boys. They were subjected to what I can only describe as being beaten up and physical attacks on a very regular basis (including A&E trips) and got such little support. It was awful for everyone involved including the DC.

Get support as early as you can and take care of yourself too.

HeyGuysItsNicole · 11/11/2025 16:59

CompetentChaos · 11/11/2025 16:51

You’re clearly determined to be offended. I’ve clarified my point and I’ll leave it there.

A lot of people are determined to be offended when it comes to abuse and SEN.
there's thread after thread on this web page with young kids (lots of girls) getting assaulted and abused by SEN kids, but the protection just isn't there for the victims when SEN is involved. You see it on here all the time. 'You're talking about a disabled child' - yes, I know, but regardless of the child's disability it's not going to aid the pain or make the attacks any less impactful for the victim is it? This is a young baby being hit and injured.

I am a prime example of not being protected. There was a boy with Asperger's on my estate who always hung around with us younger girls playing. The parents pushed it and pushed it because he 'had special needs.'

the boy raped me when I was 8 years old.

women and girls need protecting, no matter the relation, age or disability and I'm sick to the back teeth of it getting down played on here.

before i get flamed, i an ND myself and so is my DD.

HappyGilmorex · 11/11/2025 16:57

I'm so sorry OP, how unbelievably stressful and upsetting for you.

As an immediate solution I would get a sling and keep your baby in it as much as possible, so that she's physically away from the 4yo.

You then urgently need therapeutic support for your son and for you. Ask your health visitor and GP for advice on the best thing for him - some combination of medication, therapy or psychiatric input will help you to improve things. Do you have the means to pay for additional support?

If a full time nursery place isn't available could you hire a nanny to be at home with you so you have another adult on hand to help manage his behaviour?

Muffsies · 11/11/2025 16:54

CompetentChaos · 11/11/2025 16:51

You’re clearly determined to be offended. I’ve clarified my point and I’ll leave it there.

Please do. You've been exactly zero help

CompetentChaos · 11/11/2025 16:51

LeaderBee · 11/11/2025 16:41

Thanks, you said it better than I did. What a horrible reply that was.

You’re clearly determined to be offended. I’ve clarified my point and I’ll leave it there.

Gair · 11/11/2025 16:49

@WhaleRiders The SEN board might be a good place for your question. There will be lots of people there who have been through similar experiences.

noctilucentcloud · 11/11/2025 16:47

I have a relative with a learning disability in my family OP who we also had to watch because they could inadvertently hurt younger visiting children. I really feel for you, it's an incredibly difficult situation that you're in. You need to safeguard your daughter from your son (it's not fair she's at risk and scared), but equally it is not your sons fault and you need to safeguard him too (shutting him in a room temporarily to safely manage/diffuse a situation is one thing, but you cannot - as some posters have suggested - lock him in a room as a solution. That would be hugely distressing for him and be abusive).

I think that what you're doing now isn't working - your son sounds unhappy, your daughter is scared and being attacked, and you are at the end of your tether. Also at some point your system might fail and your son is able to get to your daughter when you're not there (eg overnight, if you are on the toilet etc). I think you need support and professional input, and urgently. This is a really challenging situation. I would contact your GP and also speak to your sons nursery and social services. And any relevant charities people suggest.

As others have said, I think you also need to minimise the risk as much as you possibly can - carry your daughter and remove anything that your son could hurt her with (eg books, hard toys, etc). Use strong stair gates. I'd also consider a high up bolt (at the very top of the door so your son can't access) on the door where your daughter sleeps (I'm guessing it's in with you?) so your son can't access that room when she's asleep. Although that needs careful thought to make sure your son or daughter can't become trapped.

I wish you luck, it's an incredibly difficult situation. Please reach out to some professionals as I think this is only going to get harder for you.

LeaderBee · 11/11/2025 16:45

CompetentChaos · 11/11/2025 16:44

It’s not virtue signalling to be genuinely horrified that a baby’s being hurt daily. I completely understand the mum’s situation is desperate and she needs real help, but acknowledging how serious it is isn’t the same as attacking her. I just don’t think this kind of crisis should rest on strangers online.

Saying that you hope someone reports her because it is clear she isn't going to do anything isn't an attack? FML.