Darlington nurse case flying under the radar

It’s like hitting our wee heads of a brick wall :-(

What also was not considered is the female toilet usage includes activities outside of the ability to lock the door.

It is like there is a group of people who have never in their life needed to use a toilet facility where what they needed didn't fit neatly into a toilet cubicle with a locked door. How great for them!

Here is that list of toilet usage this is just my own experience:

I have had to use the toilet while having a pram / pushchair jammed into the door with groceries.

I have had to have my mum use the public toilet because the disable toilet was not available and had her wheelchair jammed in the door because I couldn't leave her sit to move it and shut the door.

I have had breastmilk leaks / children's vomit / food spilled on my clothes and needed to have an unbuttoned top to dry the top under the hand drier.

I have come across other women quite regularly washing out their tops or their skirts etc and drying them enough to put back on .

I have friends who have miscarried in toilets and needed assistance and for that to be female people to make it more comfortable.

I went to the pub the other night and there was a woman dealing with a spilled wine on her top.

Toilets are not just used behind a closed cubicle door. There are quite a few aspects of female toilet usage that happen in the public space, or even now still occur with a toilet door jammed open.

So, this push for 'unisex' toilets with just locked cubicles etc also really doesn't work in practice, women still need female single sex toilet provision. Imagine waiting for a woman to dry out her top in one cubicle while there is a line forming. It just doesn't work the way people demand that it does.

Yuk. massive red flag.

Which thread?

So selfish 🙄

I mean, you've used a lot fo words to talk about and centre women's needs, blah, blah, blah and NOT ONCE have you even stopped to consider how this might make some men feel! 🙄

Why can't you just stop thinking about women for just one minute and spare a thought for the most vulnerable members of society - men!

Its definitely not a mental illness but these are definitely also the most vulnerable members of society and alll women must step aside for them and 'bekind'! And not upset them by speaking truths to them or using factual words that might hurt their feelings so we are also going to change the words you can use to describe yourselves and your experiences. But also, there are so few of them that it's hardly worth you even bothering your pretty little head about. Not prettier than these men though! Gosh, no.

So we're going to let them win beauty pageants (whatever you think about them). Ooh and woman of the year and women in business and sports woman of the year awards. After all, you don't really appreciate what it is to be a woman. You were just born as one and some of you aren't even doing it properly. You don't dress sexily, you don't always wear make up, sometimes you wear jeans, you don't always shave and you don't like being wolf whistled at. It's women who aren't womaning properly! Leave it to the men. They do it so much better.

And just stop talking about gross stuff like biological matters. How reductive! Surely you understand that women are so much more than biology? How can you even claim to have women's interests at heart when you're reducing them to bodily functions in this way??

Oh, and don't talk about pregnancy and the realities of that because some men really struggle with the fact they can't carry a baby and lactate and become mothers. So much so that they even take chemicals and hormones to stimulate lactation and turn up to breastfeeding classes and force the other women to go along with their fantasies. Or hide in public toilets and take used tampons out of sanitary bins and stick them up their arses while they have a wank. Women who don't understand this are unaware of their privilege.

Pretty much sums up how these points have been responded to whenever they've been raised over the past 10+ years.

Oh and the point about tampons - there's a whole subreddit devoted to it and men sharing when they've done it. Along with a subreddit of intact males who've had breast implants wearing lingerie and showing off their erections. I've seen it. That was a happy day👍

Jesus. Shuddering. Christ.

Do you know if she has sought the training for herself, is it part of the course or is it a thing that all female students are recommended to do?

Mind you, if this had been presented to Arthur Miller, he'd have rubbed his hands in glee and immediately set to work on The Crucible II.

I found out yesterday that DDs friend studying to be a nurse at university has had to have self defence training to protect herself not only from patients attempting to sexually assault her but also from staff.

All the millions of £££s spent on ‘EDI’ and they can’t manage to prevent female staff being sexually assaulted by their colleagues so the female staff have to defend themselves. Female patients presumably don’t stand a chance.

Susan Smith has received an apology from Police Scotland

So selfish 🙄

I mean, you've used a lot fo words to talk about and centre women's needs, blah, blah, blah and NOT ONCE have you even stopped to consider how this might make some men feel! 🙄

Why can't you just stop thinking about women for just one minute and spare a thought for the most vulnerable members of society - men!

Its definitely not a mental illness but these are definitely also the most vulnerable members of society and alll women must step aside for them and 'bekind'! And not upset them by speaking truths to them or using factual words that might hurt their feelings so we are also going to change the words you can use to describe yourselves and your experiences. But also, there are so few of them that it's hardly worth you even bothering your pretty little head about. Not prettier than these men though! Gosh, no.

So we're going to let them win beauty pageants (whatever you think about them). Ooh and woman of the year and women in business and sports woman of the year awards. After all, you don't really appreciate what it is to be a woman. You were just born as one and some of you aren't even doing it properly. You don't dress sexily, you don't always wear make up, sometimes you wear jeans, you don't always shave and you don't like being wolf whistled at. It's women who aren't womaning properly! Leave it to the men. They do it so much better.

And just stop talking about gross stuff like biological matters. How reductive! Surely you understand that women are so much more than biology? How can you even claim to have women's interests at heart when you're reducing them to bodily functions in this way??

Oh, and don't talk about pregnancy and the realities of that because some men really struggle with the fact they can't carry a baby and lactate and become mothers. So much so that they even take chemicals and hormones to stimulate lactation and turn up to breastfeeding classes and force the other women to go along with their fantasies. Or hide in public toilets and take used tampons out of sanitary bins and stick them up their arses while they have a wank. Women who don't understand this are unaware of their privilege.

Pretty much sums up how these points have been responded to whenever they've been raised over the past 10+ years.

Oh and the point about tampons - there's a whole subreddit devoted to it and men sharing when they've done it. Along with a subreddit of intact males who've had breast implants wearing lingerie and showing off their erections. I've seen it. That was a happy day👍

What also was not considered is the female toilet usage includes activities outside of the ability to lock the door.

It is like there is a group of people who have never in their life needed to use a toilet facility where what they needed didn't fit neatly into a toilet cubicle with a locked door. How great for them!

Here is that list of toilet usage this is just my own experience:

I have had to use the toilet while having a pram / pushchair jammed into the door with groceries.

I have had to have my mum use the public toilet because the disable toilet was not available and had her wheelchair jammed in the door because I couldn't leave her sit to move it and shut the door.

I have had breastmilk leaks / children's vomit / food spilled on my clothes and needed to have an unbuttoned top to dry the top under the hand drier.

I have come across other women quite regularly washing out their tops or their skirts etc and drying them enough to put back on .

I have friends who have miscarried in toilets and needed assistance and for that to be female people to make it more comfortable.

I went to the pub the other night and there was a woman dealing with a spilled wine on her top.

Toilets are not just used behind a closed cubicle door. There are quite a few aspects of female toilet usage that happen in the public space, or even now still occur with a toilet door jammed open.

So, this push for 'unisex' toilets with just locked cubicles etc also really doesn't work in practice, women still need female single sex toilet provision. Imagine waiting for a woman to dry out her top in one cubicle while there is a line forming. It just doesn't work the way people demand that it does.

I found out yesterday that DDs friend studying to be a nurse at university has had to have self defence training to protect herself not only from patients attempting to sexually assault her but also from staff.

All the millions of £££s spent on ‘EDI’ and they can’t manage to prevent female staff being sexually assaulted by their colleagues so the female staff have to defend themselves. Female patients presumably don’t stand a chance.

Keep in mind with this case the sheer number of sexual harassment cases there are in the NHS full stop. And the way women in the NHS are treated and the way the men (especially those actually found guilty in court) are treated.

It is institutionally sexist.

Another point which no one considered when toilets were changed in the name of inclusivity (with floor to ceiling doors and mixed sex) is that it is not just more dangerous for women’s safety from men generally but also from a health and safety perspective.

Generally the first place someone might go if they are feeling ill is the toilet and if they were to collapse the gap under the door would make this very visible to other toilet users. A leg or arm would fall out of the gaps and help can be called

@keeptoiletssafe might be able to be more specific

But why have these safety aspects not been considered