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Darlington nurse case flying under the radar

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hardstareglare · 07/11/2025 16:24

Aibu to think that the Darlington nurse case in court right now has not had much press and that it is a very important case.

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DisappearingGirl · 12/11/2025 18:35

Contemporaneouslyagog · 12/11/2025 10:54

Can I remind you that the Darlington Nurses garden needs more attention

Thanks, I have gardened for the nurses

Contemporaneouslyagog · 12/11/2025 10:54

Can I remind you that the Darlington Nurses garden needs more attention

SidewaysOtter · 12/11/2025 10:20

Oh, and as for the BBC, there was a decently balanced piece last night. And on the front page no less, rather than buried on a sub-page for BBC Arse End Of Nowhere.

Maybe they’ve started throwing off the shackles of the internal TRA bullies?

SidewaysOtter · 12/11/2025 10:18

So, so many posts here I agree with about how “trans rights” have been a way to undermine the protection mechanisms women have developed. They pulled an absolute fucking blinder in not only undermining them but making women the bad guys if we tried to defend/reinstate them.

On the tampon thing, once - ONCE - in all my years have I been in a loo when a woman asked if anyone there had a spare because she’d forgotten to bring anything with her or had lost it or something. She was clearly embarrassed. We’re used to dealing with periods, we’re prepared and it’s not something you “wing”.

And the idea of accepting a tampon from a TIM makes me shudder in horror as to what might have been done with it first, or even just the thrill it’s going to give.

SaveMeFromHumanity · 12/11/2025 08:15

DisappearingGirl · 12/11/2025 08:12

I remember when Sarah Everard was killed there were a lot of news items about flashing and indecent exposure and how it should be taken seriously and can be a precursor to sexual assault.

I remember thinking it was the elephant in the room that the trans issue was never mentioned - there would be parallel articles hand-ringing about whether males should be allowed in female changing rooms etc if they said they identified as female (in fact they didn't even have to say it as it was considered hurtful to even ask why a male might be in there).

Anyone who has ever done Prevent training will have also recognised the risk factors and markers associated with radicalisation in the trans movement too.

DisappearingGirl · 12/11/2025 08:12

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2025 12:14

Women need to be saying this out loud - repeatedly. It is rape culture to compel women to undress in front of male colleagues.
The NHS are openly trying to decriminalise voyeurism and indecent exposure - and nobody is calling them out about it.

I remember when Sarah Everard was killed there were a lot of news items about flashing and indecent exposure and how it should be taken seriously and can be a precursor to sexual assault.

I remember thinking it was the elephant in the room that the trans issue was never mentioned - there would be parallel articles hand-ringing about whether males should be allowed in female changing rooms etc if they said they identified as female (in fact they didn't even have to say it as it was considered hurtful to even ask why a male might be in there).

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 11/11/2025 23:08

Terrydcol · 11/11/2025 14:18

Not covered because the BBC, for starters, have gone woke

The BBC has suddenly decided that it knows what a woman is and what a man is - wonder what could have brought that on! 😂

Several sightings posted on this thread starting here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5442434-darlington-nurses-vs-county-durham-and-darlington-nhs-trust-tribunal-thread-8?reply=148464896

However, on the BBC website the stories are still corralled as if only of interest to people on Teesside 🙄

Terrydcol · 11/11/2025 14:18

Not covered because the BBC, for starters, have gone woke

SinnerBoy · 10/11/2025 14:57

Talkinpeace · 09/11/2025 14:06

The RCN called them bigots and refused to help.

The RCN were so horrible to Sandie Peggie that she is suing them to get 30 years of subs back

The RCN has also refused to help Jennifer Melle and in fact sided with the man who hurled racist abuse at her

  • man
  • convicted child rapist
NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 13:33

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Yeah, funny that.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 10/11/2025 13:31

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2025 12:14

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 10/11/2025 12:05

Thank you. I was a bit afraid that the wall of text might be off-putting ❤️

The shift from protecting female staff to deliberately exposing them to humiliation, degradation and danger is absolutely horrifying.

I posted on another thread:

"the Trust's enforcement of bodily exposure and voyeurism on the Nurses communicated its lack of respect for the Darlington Nurses, for women in general and for the principle of "informed consent".

What a great way to inculcate Rape Culture into an organisation responsible for the care and safety of women when they are at their most vulnerable!"

Women need to be saying this out loud - repeatedly. It is rape culture to compel women to undress in front of male colleagues.
The NHS are openly trying to decriminalise voyeurism and indecent exposure - and nobody is calling them out about it.

NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 12:13

What a great way to inculcate Rape Culture into an organisation responsible for the care and safety of women when they are at their most vulnerable!

So true. Why. We ALL need to wonder why.

It has to be a lot more than lack of respect.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 10/11/2025 12:05

NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 11:32

Thank you for taking the time to post such a detailed answer @POWNewcastleEastWallsend .

The reality is that you cannot stop patients, members of the public and even other staff from trying to attack you

How did we get from taking all the steps that you detailed to this world we are now in where women are actually punished and taken to court by their seniors and employers for not wanting men to watch them getting changed? Who are those employers minimising risk for? Themselves, so they don't have to deal with the narcissistic mantrums of entitled predators. The only responsibility those employers felt was to themselves. With perhaps a grateful little nod to Stonewall and their like.

Thank you. I was a bit afraid that the wall of text might be off-putting ❤️

The shift from protecting female staff to deliberately exposing them to humiliation, degradation and danger is absolutely horrifying.

I posted on another thread:

"the Trust's enforcement of bodily exposure and voyeurism on the Nurses communicated its lack of respect for the Darlington Nurses, for women in general and for the principle of "informed consent".

What a great way to inculcate Rape Culture into an organisation responsible for the care and safety of women when they are at their most vulnerable!"

NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 11:32

Thank you for taking the time to post such a detailed answer @POWNewcastleEastWallsend .

The reality is that you cannot stop patients, members of the public and even other staff from trying to attack you

How did we get from taking all the steps that you detailed to this world we are now in where women are actually punished and taken to court by their seniors and employers for not wanting men to watch them getting changed? Who are those employers minimising risk for? Themselves, so they don't have to deal with the narcissistic mantrums of entitled predators. The only responsibility those employers felt was to themselves. With perhaps a grateful little nod to Stonewall and their like.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 10/11/2025 11:11

NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 09:38

It is fucking astounding. Again putting the responsibility onto the potential victims rather than, you know, putting a bit of thought or discussion into how to deal with those who are causing the problem. But they'll have done their bit by insisting on the self defence classes. That's okay then.

What the fuck happened to people.

The reality is that you cannot stop patients, members of the public and even other staff from trying to attack you, so a responsible employer sets up systems to minimise the risk and equips staff to protect themselves and deescalate threatening behaviour. Students need the same protection.

In the 1970's, as students of a predominantly female health care profession, "protect yourself" training was part of our preparation for student placements in the NHS, eg. try to never let a patient or member of the public get between you and the door; if there is a Panic Button on the underside of the desk, make sure you can reach it easily and discreetly.

From the late 1980's, there was greater awareness of the need to protect staff and enable them to protect themselves, due to the work of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust: www.suzylamplugh.org/

Working for NHS Community Services (mostly female staff), the local police provided annual "Self Defence" classes (can't remember if that what was they were actually called). They covered everything from being aware of your surroundings, parking in "safer" places, deescalation techniques to basic physical self-defence and everyone was issued with a free Rape Alarm.

Managers also set up "Lone Working" systems to minimise risk.

For example, every morning the manager of one of the community departments (which were scattered across the city) would contact the police to find out if there was any intelligence about "danger spots" where staff should not go at all or should only go to in pairs. They would then ask if their staff had any information to add and next ring around all the other Depts to let them know the score. When ringing around they would also ask if the staff of each Dept had any information to add. To give time for this ring-around to be completed at least once plus time for a second ring-around if there were any crucial updates, staff would not plan to leave for home visits until IIRC 9:30am at the earliest.

If anyone who lived alone, or had requested to be treated as such due to Domestic Abuse, was an hour late turning up for work without notice they would be phoned at home to check they were OK.

At the end of the day, if anyone was scheduled to go home straight from their last visit without returning to base, they had to phone their base or the home number of a designated member of staff to report that they had got home safely. If someone had not returned to base an hour after they were due to, then the manager would phone the last premises they were due to visit to check if they were OK and if there was no reply they would be phoned at home.

If there was any doubt that the member of staff was safe then the police would be called and asked to visit the Home Visit address and/or the staff member's home as appropriate.

In the 1990's, if not before, staff working for a local Learning Disability and Mental Health NHS Trust in hospitals and the community received more extensive self defence training and restraint techniques.

None of this guarantees that you won't be physically or sexually harassed, assaulted or murdered by a patient, member of the public or other member of staff, or land upside down in a ditch due to your car spinning off an icy road in the middle of nowhere. The best that can be done is to minimise risk and for employers to exercise a duty of care to protect you and help you to protect yourself.

It is not just nurses and other NHS staff who are at risk. I would hope that all Vocational Courses would care enough about their students to provide self defence and "protect yourself" classes.

NebulousSadTimes · 10/11/2025 09:38

BundleBoogie · 09/11/2025 21:01

It’s a compulsory part of the course apparently. Horrifying.

It is fucking astounding. Again putting the responsibility onto the potential victims rather than, you know, putting a bit of thought or discussion into how to deal with those who are causing the problem. But they'll have done their bit by insisting on the self defence classes. That's okay then.

What the fuck happened to people.

SaveMeFromHumanity · 10/11/2025 02:38

One of the main things that was pointed out was that

Firatly, women very rarely approach other women and ask fir tampons (I'm in my 50s and never asked or been asked).

Secondly, if a woman were to ask, they'd ask an actual woman, who might actually have one on them, and not a bloke in a dress, who would have absolutely no need for one,

But despite these facts, there are many, many men online who like to talk about how often it happens.

It's up there with women having pillow fights in our underwear in the limited imaginations of fetishistic men. Something else that they discuss with each other online and reassure each other that, when that time comes (the spomtaneous pillow fight with real women) all the difficulties around coming out as trans will be worth it.

I don't need to ask how many of us have found ourselves actually having a pillow fight with our besties in our knickers to know its none. But it happens to transwomen all the time. Apparently.

SaveMeFromHumanity · 10/11/2025 02:24

Helleofabore · 09/11/2025 21:28

We have just been told on another thread that a male person who believes they are a women offered a male poster’s sister a tampon in the women’s loo and apparently that was #womenhelpingwomen. I kid you not.

Apparently, this male person carrying around tampons in case of a female person needing them was in no way creepy but was a very kind person providing assistance.

If this is true, some people have non existent boundaries or no idea of appropriate behaviour.

Also look up Jessica Yaniv, who used to post on Twitter (as it was then) a fair bit talking how often young girls would/might approach him in a public toilet and ask for a tampon. It is a recognised 'thing'. There are a lot of trans identifying men who find themselves being approached by women and girls and asking them for tampons. It's part of their fantasy role play because they like to imagine that's what women do. Abd it sexually arouses them.

Anyway, Yaniv wanted to know whether he should offer to show 10 you how to insert tampons and how he should offer to do this.

There were a concerning number of young women trying to genuinely advise him on how to respond!

He was discussed extensively on FWR as he was very keen to talk about it despite 100% of actual born women acknowledging that this wasn't something a single one of us had ever had to contend with.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 09/11/2025 22:40

hardstareglare · 09/11/2025 21:59

JFC!

100% That Didn't Happen. Betting that the person posting that is one of those "women with penises" (though possibly castrated?).

The User Name "Gnasher" is also suspiciously close to one of the online pseudonyms of the individual who was ordered by the High Court to pay £45K in damages to a woman he libelled on Twitter/X:
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2021/1709.html

Same person:

Trans activist who boasted of her violence and said on Twitter she had drawn up a 'kill list' of opponents of gender ideology is rejected by the Women's Institute
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11997053/Trans-activist-boasted-violence-rejected-Womens-Institute.html

hardstareglare · 09/11/2025 22:28

CohensDiamondTeeth · 09/11/2025 22:12

It was a shame he derailed Arabella's thread, it was really interesting to see how the shift in public opinion has gone in one direction across all demographics, slow clap for the TRAs who are slowly and successfully alienating everyone with their entitled and utterly batshit ideology, behaviour, and demands👏

The thread is a worthwhile read for both the interesting survey results and discussion, as well as to see an example of how a men's rights activist invader on the feminism forum behaves.

Just read it.
TRA is unbelievable

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CohensDiamondTeeth · 09/11/2025 22:12

It was a shame he derailed Arabella's thread, it was really interesting to see how the shift in public opinion has gone in one direction across all demographics, slow clap for the TRAs who are slowly and successfully alienating everyone with their entitled and utterly batshit ideology, behaviour, and demands👏

The thread is a worthwhile read for both the interesting survey results and discussion, as well as to see an example of how a men's rights activist invader on the feminism forum behaves.

Gymnopedie · 09/11/2025 22:09

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 09/11/2025 19:34

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Tim Davie and Deborah Turness resign.

Well it's a start, but watch this space.........

Nothing about the Trump piece, the trans censorship or Israel/Gaza though.

eta: and no apology for anything.

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