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to feel hurt that some women who cannot conceive seem to take it out on other women who get pregnant but never the men?

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joyjoyw · 08/08/2025 17:53

I struggled with infertility for years. It was painful, isolating, and at times it felt like my body was betraying me. Along the way, I made a few close friendships with other women who were going through the same. We bonded over the grief, the tests, the waiting, the hope.

But when I finally got pregnant, something I never even believed would happen, I was overjoyed, but also mindful. I didn’t make big announcements. I tried to be sensitive. But several of those women just cut me off, almost overnight. No explanation, no "I need space", just silence. It hurt deeply.

What confuses me is that their anger or pain seemed to be directed only at me, the woman who got pregnant not at my husband. As if I did something to them personally. As if my pregnancy was a betrayal. But the men? Never held to account. No one stopped talking to my husband.

I completely understand that grief and comparison can make people pull away. I know it's not always rational. I know what it feels like to watch others get what you’re desperately hoping for. But I never imagined that when it finally happened to me, I'd lose people I’d once leaned on.

AIBU to feel like there’s something deeply unfair about how women carry so much of this emotional fallout, sometimes even punishing each other while men walk away untouched?

OP posts:
applegingermint · 11/08/2025 07:41

joyjoyw · 11/08/2025 07:35

You don't know me so can't judge.

😆😆😆😆😆😆

joyjoyw · 11/08/2025 07:35

JHound · 11/08/2025 00:50

Your clearly haven’t moved on.

You don't know me so can't judge.

OP posts:
joyjoyw · 11/08/2025 07:35

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I was responding to someone who asked me some questions.

If you think calling someone demented is a decent way to speak to people, that says more about you than it does about me. I feel sorry for the people in your life.

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Anchorage56 · 11/08/2025 06:38

So what is the purpose of this thread if you say you have moved on and have newer better friends?

Hopefully at least you can now see there is a big difference between what it means when a woman gets pregnant compared to her husband, which could help you with part of the topic of the thread.

JHound · 11/08/2025 00:50

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 13:59

Yes they can do whatever they wish. They are free to keep kicking out women out of the group who get pregnant,

I already have moved on. I am not responding to the woman who got kicked out like me. I have newer friends who are great.

Your clearly haven’t moved on.

thisistoofunny · 10/08/2025 23:02

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joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 21:40

namechangeGOT · 10/08/2025 21:01

OP, let’s say that the couples who you were friends with continued on with nights out, weekends away, allll the things you did before you got pregnant would you have gone on them? Left baby at home to go away for weekends away with them, had nights out despite perhaps not being ready, been happy to leave baby talk at home every time you went out with them or met up for a coffee? Would that have been okay? Or would you have wanted to speak about baby? Refused invites for weekends and nights out because of ‘baby’? If so, then you were never going to be able to stay friends with women who wanted the very thing you had - you wouldn’t be the same person. I have been in your position. I fully expected to be dropped from our sad little group of barren friends - 6 cycles of IVF and many miscarriages to get my son but I got him and they didn’t. It’s just disingenuous to pretend your husband is walking the same path as you, he isn’t. Yes, he’s gonna be a dad. Is he going to get morning sickness, stretch marks, is he going to feel baby kicking inside him before anyone else can? Will he feel that excitement when his belly begins to pop and things start to feel real? Will he give birth, spend that first night together in hospital just staring at each other? Will he breastfeed? His true involvement in it isn’t even close and you know it.

I get friendships change when life changes. That is not the same as just cutting someone off without saying anything. I have friends at different stages of life to me and we have held onto the friendships.

I wish them well and I am happy to move on. They have now ousted someone else who is very distraught.

OP posts:
namechangeGOT · 10/08/2025 21:01

OP, let’s say that the couples who you were friends with continued on with nights out, weekends away, allll the things you did before you got pregnant would you have gone on them? Left baby at home to go away for weekends away with them, had nights out despite perhaps not being ready, been happy to leave baby talk at home every time you went out with them or met up for a coffee? Would that have been okay? Or would you have wanted to speak about baby? Refused invites for weekends and nights out because of ‘baby’? If so, then you were never going to be able to stay friends with women who wanted the very thing you had - you wouldn’t be the same person. I have been in your position. I fully expected to be dropped from our sad little group of barren friends - 6 cycles of IVF and many miscarriages to get my son but I got him and they didn’t. It’s just disingenuous to pretend your husband is walking the same path as you, he isn’t. Yes, he’s gonna be a dad. Is he going to get morning sickness, stretch marks, is he going to feel baby kicking inside him before anyone else can? Will he feel that excitement when his belly begins to pop and things start to feel real? Will he give birth, spend that first night together in hospital just staring at each other? Will he breastfeed? His true involvement in it isn’t even close and you know it.

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 20:40

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 20:37

OP's responses have got snippier the more she has been told how awful she is.

agree.

I do think that OP's case is different due to the fact that her first baby died at birth.

Also agree. But we don’t have the full story here, or what the friends have been through.

given the OP’s fairly extraordinary demonstration of lack of empathy, sensitivity and grace on this thread, I’m wondering what the broader context is here.

Interesting how you keep bypassing when others say worse than me but you keep focusing on what I said or apparently supported.

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Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 20:37

thepariscrimefiles · 10/08/2025 20:18

OP's responses have got snippier the more she has been told how awful she is. I do think that OP's case is different due to the fact that her first baby died at birth. Even if they couldn't bring themselves to be in her company while she was pregnant, they could have acknowledged the birth of her baby and wished them both well, considering the tragic outcome of her first pregnancy.

OP's responses have got snippier the more she has been told how awful she is.

agree.

I do think that OP's case is different due to the fact that her first baby died at birth.

Also agree. But we don’t have the full story here, or what the friends have been through.

given the OP’s fairly extraordinary demonstration of lack of empathy, sensitivity and grace on this thread, I’m wondering what the broader context is here.

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 20:24

Barnbrack · 10/08/2025 20:15

I think your irrational emotional response (and that is what this is) stems from the fact you've got your baby now and you're still hurting. You're still grieving a lost baby and infertility. It's a different pain when you also have a baby and all that new motherhood brings. The exhaustion and the dependence etc. can compound the grief and anxiety.

It's not the same as having to accept infertility.

It doesn't mean it's not hard. You're having a hard time. And your friends gave turned their backs. That's very very hard however valid their reasoning. Do you have some source of loving support out with your partner?

This thread surprisingly has helped me to accept and move on. Yes they are free to cut anyone off they like. Things change. The latest woman they cut off is taking it quite badly even though she took part in cutting me off. I am happy to leave them all behind and wish them well.

I won't be responding to the woman who has been cut off who has now come back to me. I am sure she will find new friends elsewhere. It is a horrible start to her pregnancy to lose her group of friends but she will survive.

Yes I have support thank you.

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 10/08/2025 20:18

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 14:02

Has this thread just made you even more certain your former friends are terrible humans?

Have you reflected on any of the responses and whether you are lacking empathy, grace and a perspective beyond your own selfish feelings?

OP's responses have got snippier the more she has been told how awful she is. I do think that OP's case is different due to the fact that her first baby died at birth. Even if they couldn't bring themselves to be in her company while she was pregnant, they could have acknowledged the birth of her baby and wished them both well, considering the tragic outcome of her first pregnancy.

Barnbrack · 10/08/2025 20:15

I think your irrational emotional response (and that is what this is) stems from the fact you've got your baby now and you're still hurting. You're still grieving a lost baby and infertility. It's a different pain when you also have a baby and all that new motherhood brings. The exhaustion and the dependence etc. can compound the grief and anxiety.

It's not the same as having to accept infertility.

It doesn't mean it's not hard. You're having a hard time. And your friends gave turned their backs. That's very very hard however valid their reasoning. Do you have some source of loving support out with your partner?

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 20:10

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 20:05

You wrote:

Thank you for your support ❤

in response to a post that said :

those nasty women are selfish hateful cows

Does that mean I was hearting every single statement in the post?

Funny how you comment on me hearting rather than the person who said it.

OP posts:
Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 20:05

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 19:55

You can't see which posts I have hearted unless you are MNHQ?

You wrote:

Thank you for your support ❤

in response to a post that said :

those nasty women are selfish hateful cows

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 19:56

Tinnybinnylinny · 10/08/2025 14:44

Thank you, you have put this more eloquently and hit the nail on the head.

In the long term it will hurt the women who withdraw, that is the sad thing. I totally understand protecting peace - at the same time people will always have kids/ get married/ be more successful than you/ live in a bigger house etc…..

Infertility is one of the most heartbreaking things to go through, it can ruin your life, your family and friend relationships. To be fair - I think overall the OP is coming across as somewhat tone deaf and does not appear to understand the difference between men and women, and given her responses here it’s not altogether a surprise that these women have withdrawn (if it’s how she expresses herself in real life).

The women in the group have cut someone else off now she is pregnant also. This seems to be their mechanism. The woman who has been cut off is distraught even though she participated in cutting me off.

OP posts:
joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 19:55

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 19:42

You just hearted a post where someone said:

those nasty women are selfish hateful cows

You can't see which posts I have hearted unless you are MNHQ?

OP posts:
joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 19:53

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 19:41

How do you know she is distraught? I thought you had no relationship to her?

I don't but we have mutual friends.

OP posts:
Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 19:44

Tinnybinnylinny · 10/08/2025 14:44

Thank you, you have put this more eloquently and hit the nail on the head.

In the long term it will hurt the women who withdraw, that is the sad thing. I totally understand protecting peace - at the same time people will always have kids/ get married/ be more successful than you/ live in a bigger house etc…..

Infertility is one of the most heartbreaking things to go through, it can ruin your life, your family and friend relationships. To be fair - I think overall the OP is coming across as somewhat tone deaf and does not appear to understand the difference between men and women, and given her responses here it’s not altogether a surprise that these women have withdrawn (if it’s how she expresses herself in real life).

Fully agree with all of this

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 19:42

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 16:40

Thank you for your support ❤

Some people on here feel the only thing the women in this scenario experience is pain and nothing else. That may be true for some but more likely they are experiencing a wide range of emotions some of them unpleasant.

You just hearted a post where someone said:

those nasty women are selfish hateful cows

Blessthismess2 · 10/08/2025 19:41

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 15:47

They can feel anything they like. People on here are saying they are in pain and discounting that they can feel other emotions.

I am saying they can be in pain, jealous, feel resentful, bitter and many other emotions. All are ok.

One of my former friends is distraught at the way she has been cut off by the others now she is pregnant. So their pain is now causing pain for her.

How do you know she is distraught? I thought you had no relationship to her?

Barnbrack · 10/08/2025 18:09

joyjoyw · 09/08/2025 12:38

Really?

My first baby died and I had years of infertility.

But as long as I have a baby, everything else I went through doesn't matter right?

I think THIS is the real issue, you're finding what we all find, the trauma does t go away just because you get your baby. Forget the responses of others, you need counselling for yourself, to help you process all of that because it stays with you!

joyjoyw · 10/08/2025 16:40

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 16:14

Why wouldn't they be happy for her? Are you saying they should be angry and resentful of her? That makes them sound batshit unhinged. Any decent human being can feel happy for someone while at the same time feel sad for themselves.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

@joyjoyw You are not wrong. Those nasty women are selfish hateful cows. It's your husband that got you pregnant so they should be more angry at him. Not you. But they're still associating with him proves they're hypocritical bitches who want to punish fellow women. Walk away with your head held high, you did nothing wrong. They aren't worth exchanging pleasantries to if that is how they are. And I hope if they get pregnant, someone treats them EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!! Then they may have a pang of guilt of how they bullied and ostracised you.

Thank you for your support ❤

Some people on here feel the only thing the women in this scenario experience is pain and nothing else. That may be true for some but more likely they are experiencing a wide range of emotions some of them unpleasant.

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TheTwitcher11 · 10/08/2025 16:23

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 16:20

Just read about your former friend getting pregnant now contacting you. The fucking brass-necked cow! I'd send a final message saying 'do you remember how you cut off contact with me when I got pregnant? Do you remember? Do you? You hurt me. Now you got what you wanted you come crawling back, not even an apology to me, and want me to commiserate with you over others doing EXACTLY what you did to me. Well now you understand how you made me feel. I wish you well, but I have nothing left to say to you.' And then block.

(Not an attack)

Do you have a child/ children out of curiosity?

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 16:20

Just read about your former friend getting pregnant now contacting you. The fucking brass-necked cow! I'd send a final message saying 'do you remember how you cut off contact with me when I got pregnant? Do you remember? Do you? You hurt me. Now you got what you wanted you come crawling back, not even an apology to me, and want me to commiserate with you over others doing EXACTLY what you did to me. Well now you understand how you made me feel. I wish you well, but I have nothing left to say to you.' And then block.