Is Pride exempt from public indecency rules?

Having blue hair and identifying as nonbinary is hardly mutually exclusive with talents. My green-haired nonbinary niece just graduated from Cambridge with a first.
your self expression is impirtant and people are allowed to want to show it in public,

Experiences vary. Some of us have had adult children go no contact when we have talked about protecting women's rights or argued against children being exposed to harmful drugs and mutilating surgery. Of course anybody is free to present themselves how they wish but the bodily dissociation, denial of reality and personal rejection is often heartbreaking for families. I think people are often angry about gender ideology rather than genuinely contemptuous of individuals.

'So many young people'.

How many?

I'm 58, have 3 young adult kids, and only know 3 people who are transgender/gender non-conforming. One is a pupil from my son's primary school who has transitioned female to male at the age of 20, the other is a friend's kid who again has transitioned female to male a number of years ago, and the other is a non-binary student who my son shares a house with. None of them 'demand' anything. They're all people who've gone through a lot and they don't deserve to be sneered at by people like you.

As for young people dying their hair - young people have always experimented with their appearance. I did. I suspect you did. You've now 'transitioned' into an adult who has contempt for young people who do what young people have always done.

But why not try to get attention for something of note? So many young people seem to chase attention by dying their hair blue, demanding you call them they/them/zir or some other such shite and calling you a bigot for telling them to grow up. Have they no discernible actual talents that we should give them attention for?

Sorry I meant to link the thread. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5368009-5368009-what-do-whips-spandex-and-dog-masks-have-to-do-with-pride?page=9&reply=145503952

Trans identifying male AidaP demonstrating a serious lapse in judgement more than once.

Who said this?! I mean, obviously a man who thinks he's a lesbian, but someone on MN?

Quite right. Anyone supporting LGBTQ only getting a 'pat on the back is going to be mightily disappointed.

My kids are with me and my wife at many prides, kink is involved, it's never a problem. Just like topic of sex is never a problem in our house, neither is the topic of kink sex. If they are old enough to ask, they are old enough to get an answer, as detailed as they are willing to keep asking.

In case anyone is under any illusions about the views of some trans identifying men who attend Pride. This user has already advocated for children learning about the ‘fun’ to be had with whips and chains.

While utterly horrifying, it is useful to have it written down. In the future when we have legions of damaged kids, at least we will know what went wrong. Sadly Social Services have a big blind spot in this area so can’t be relied upon to intervene.

selkie

got that now, thank you

Plus to be fair ro my short term memory i am also reading a thread on fetish at pride

got the two confused 😳

Fair point

i obviously didn’t remember reading that bit…oops

I probably worded that wrong as I don't think objecting to seeing ANYONE in a thong is wrong, I've seen girls at festivals ina thong and no bra with mesh covering over it (regularly) and I haven't seen massive threads damning those festivals as fetishistic and inappropriate.

There is lots of homophobia on this thread. I also think the larger pride events have been coopted by others who are not gay and lesbian and are now not accessible by those that want to celebrate with their families, but that isn't all and it isn't the fault of those gay men and lesbians who still go, it doesn't make them complicit or in anyway at fault.

Absolutely not! I'm gender critical myself and tbh, there was only one trans flag there. I went with my gay and lesbian pals, who are also gender critical, it was a lovely day! I wouldn't go to one that excluded a lesbian pride march

If anyone is in any doubt about the exclusion of lesbians from Pride events I suggest you read this thread. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5355905-lesbian-pride-march-saturday-5th-july-women-only-london

The lesbian group was told they weren’t welcome at Pride because they don’t recognise men as lesbians so they organised their own event well out of the way from Pride. Some very unpleasant threats in this thread from trans identifying men to turn up in person to intimidate and shut down the lesbian event.

Young girls should go to toy stores if they don’t want to see grown men parading their genitals in public? But who would see the men’s junk if they aren’t there?

I agree and that is very different from what the OP is objecting to. All public sex should be illegal whoever the people are.

Other posters have reported on other instances of indecent and fetishistic behaviour that have happened at various Pride events as well as the sex offenders closely associated with some Pride organisations.

And the fact that lesbians who don’t include ‘lesbians’ with penises in their dating pool have been explicitly excluded from many Pride events.

And that many gay people feel that Pride is no longer for or about them.

Did you read the OP? The only thing mentioned (aside from transport difficulties) was men wearing thongs. The OP referred to sexualised behaviour but has yet to clarify what she meant by this despite me asking. I assume there was more to it than just thong wearing but, if there was, she's staying quiet. It's other posters who have inferred she was talking about fetish.

Arses on anyone aren't attractive.

Still doesn't mean they need to cover up or are sexual

Because the thread was actually about thongs and got turned into being about full fetish gear?

There are posts about it weekly on MN....

I mean that isn't OK... and it's also not the same as just wearing a thong

Generally pretty ugly if they are mens and hairy though. Bleugh.

Honestly! You can’t win on Mumsnet, another 2/3 years and your child could be literally leaving home. If you had posted for advice about a 14 year old going into town (which essentially if you’re living very near London this is the equivalent of) you would be roasted for helicopter parenting. Fuck anyone that says they question your parenting anyway, pious arse!

Yes.

Ever since fetishists took over Pride and made it an unsafe space for lesbians, the normal rules of public decency don't apply.