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Is it cheeky to ask to be paid over the holidays?

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Dogswimmingcompetition · 27/05/2025 14:11

I work as a tutor. I work for three different families.
Over the summer holidays, one family like me to keep working, one family don’t have tutoring at all over the summer, but pay me year round. The final family is the family I work with the most, I’ve taught their child for almost three years. For the first year it was year round, last year they went away last minute for summer (I didn’t realise this was the plan) and I wasn’t paid all summer. I get the majority of my income from them and found it a real struggle for a couple of months.
Their child finishes their exams in a couple of weeks and mentioned something about our last lesson being in a couple of weeks (much earlier than I expected) This will leave me without pay for 3 months, which will set me back a lot.
I’m unable to commit to other families who have asked for tutoring as they would want all the time, not just in the holidays.
Would it be cheeky to put this to the father and ask if there’s any way they can pay me over the holidays and explain the situation?
I enjoy working with this family and would rather stay with them if possible, I know that i’m valued there also as the mum has told me in the past that they’re keen to keep me/continue with me.

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Gummy7 · 13/06/2025 14:11

Please, please don't message him again, you're just going to come across as really desperate and very, very unprofessional. It's up to the family to decide what they want to do, if you badger them they'll lose all respect for you and won't want to have anything to do with you.

You say you're not badgering but that's exactly how it will come across if you contact them again.

Go ahead and make alternative plans, it's not like this family needed you for lessons for the summer so feel free to take on other students.

Digdongdoo · 13/06/2025 14:10

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 14:03

I am not badgering them for money! I am trying to sort my work out and him not replying either way is not allowing me to organise things.
This tutoring occupies two days of the week, where I could be giving lessons to a family that won’t leave things in the lurch for almost four months of the year. If no reply by Monday I will respond to another family I had to turn down a few months and hope they still need someone.

You are though. You've asked for an unprecedented retainer at short notice.
By all means tell them "let me know by Monday or I will offer the spot to another family". But they haven't "left you in the lurch" - they've done exactly what they did last year, and had no reason to think anything else was supposed to happen. It is very unprofessional to ask for a retainer at such short notice, with so little time to think about it, and if I were them I'd be looking for a new tutor anyway to be honest.

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 14:05

*Months ago

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Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 14:03

Digdongdoo · 13/06/2025 13:54

It would be really rude to message again. The lack of response is the response. Would be very unprofessional to start badgering them for money for nothing at short notice.

I am not badgering them for money! I am trying to sort my work out and him not replying either way is not allowing me to organise things.
This tutoring occupies two days of the week, where I could be giving lessons to a family that won’t leave things in the lurch for almost four months of the year. If no reply by Monday I will respond to another family I had to turn down a few months and hope they still need someone.

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Digdongdoo · 13/06/2025 13:54

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 13:51

Would you message or just leave it, have to say I find it odd/rude to have no reply at all

It would be really rude to message again. The lack of response is the response. Would be very unprofessional to start badgering them for money for nothing at short notice.

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 13:51

Would you message or just leave it, have to say I find it odd/rude to have no reply at all

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Blackdow · 13/06/2025 13:06

You need to stop hoping for this family to support your business and start making decisions.

How do you want to work it?

They book a term at a time, and need to confirm renewal 4 weeks before the start of the next term and pay the full term on confirmation? That means you know ahead of time who is staying on and have time to fill the spaces. They’d book the term starting in September before the summer holidays begin.
You can then run “summer school tutoring” as an extra.

They book a block of 10 lessons at a time and need to confirm renewal and pay when they have 2 lessons left?

They book week to week and can cancel without warning? Book week to week but need to give 2 weeks warning?

You need to work it out. You can negotiate separate options for people if you want, and if this guy had wanted permanent tutoring then he would need to pay a summer retainer so you don’t fill the gap.

You were given advice on here to try and book in some summer tutoring. Have you started advertising any of that? As I said, there is a high school girl round here who tutors and she runs “summer school” and tutors a few groups once a week during the summer. I think she does a primary group and National 5 (GCSE) groups in her specialty subjects.

PrincessScarlett · 13/06/2025 12:56

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 12:33

He hasn’t replied so I guess everyone is right

Sorry to hear that. Protect yourself going forward with a contract. Introduce a contract for this client from September. Once you have contracts in place you will find that clients won't mess you about so much and drop you earlier than planned.

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 12:33

He hasn’t replied so I guess everyone is right

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Zonder · 13/06/2025 12:08

I do think this is a different way of looking at tutoring than I've ever seen before. Tutoring is effectively a zero hours contract. You provide a service for payment and when that service isn't required you don't get paid. I've never known a tutor have a retainer. Child minder yes. Tutor no. If I was this family I would say fine maybe see you in September.

BuckChuckets · 13/06/2025 10:10

And what else have you done to start trying to build an income over the summer? (After all the suggestions you were given)

Dangermoo · 13/06/2025 09:54

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 09:53

Yes, this was the option I gave. I said due to the lengthy time off, plus the unprecedented early finish, I would need to either have the retainer to guarantee the same slot in September or it may not be available due to me needing to find other students over the summer to supplement my income and this may lead to a long term position
I put in a professional, but nice way as I have built up a relationship over the three years

See what today brings; you might hear something.

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 09:53

queenmeadhbh · 13/06/2025 09:45

You said what I suggested, that either he pays a retainer or you won’t hold the spot?

but you then refer to it in another post as a “request”. Which is what I’m getting at. What have you requested? There is no request to make, unless you are requesting payment. Which you shouldn’t be. You should be saying, you have 2 options; which would you like? The ball is in your court, not his. Either he pays, or you get other clients and they lose their spot.

Yes, this was the option I gave. I said due to the lengthy time off, plus the unprecedented early finish, I would need to either have the retainer to guarantee the same slot in September or it may not be available due to me needing to find other students over the summer to supplement my income and this may lead to a long term position
I put in a professional, but nice way as I have built up a relationship over the three years

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queenmeadhbh · 13/06/2025 09:45

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 07:50

Yes this is what I said to him.

You said what I suggested, that either he pays a retainer or you won’t hold the spot?

but you then refer to it in another post as a “request”. Which is what I’m getting at. What have you requested? There is no request to make, unless you are requesting payment. Which you shouldn’t be. You should be saying, you have 2 options; which would you like? The ball is in your court, not his. Either he pays, or you get other clients and they lose their spot.

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 09:35

MyNeedyLilacBird · 13/06/2025 09:30

If you get the bulk of your income from this family- what will you do if you just don't hear from them again? Can you realistically fill the slot?

It honestly doesn't look like you'll hear from him. Though I hope I'm wrong. As others have said lots of good advice for your business going forward and everything is a learning curve. Hopefully you'll not have this type of situation again

You think they just won’t reply to
me after me writing them a nice message, working with the daughter and building a relationship with them for three years and being extremely flexible with them many times.
If so, then I am better off without them tbh and it will be upsetting

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MyNeedyLilacBird · 13/06/2025 09:30

If you get the bulk of your income from this family- what will you do if you just don't hear from them again? Can you realistically fill the slot?

It honestly doesn't look like you'll hear from him. Though I hope I'm wrong. As others have said lots of good advice for your business going forward and everything is a learning curve. Hopefully you'll not have this type of situation again

Mrsttcno1 · 13/06/2025 09:06

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 07:49

It isn’t my poor financial planning though. It’s a pause by them of 3.5 months, last minute, without warning and earlier than expected (my other families I tutor for either stop in over a month or continue through the summer)
I can’t stop for 3.5 months, then they just call me when they’re ready again (which was 2-3 weeks after term had started last year.
Due to this, I think it’s a fair request

Of course it is your poor planning, you do not have a contract or clause in place for this, therefore they are completely within their rights and allowed to choose. YOU now last minute want them to pay you for providing no service. That is your poor planning. I wouldn’t be impressed and I wouldn’t keep you on for that reason.

butteredhorseradish · 13/06/2025 09:04

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 07:49

It isn’t my poor financial planning though. It’s a pause by them of 3.5 months, last minute, without warning and earlier than expected (my other families I tutor for either stop in over a month or continue through the summer)
I can’t stop for 3.5 months, then they just call me when they’re ready again (which was 2-3 weeks after term had started last year.
Due to this, I think it’s a fair request

It is poor planning. They did the same last year so you should have foreseen this same scenario happening and broached the subject with them a lot earlier.
You've never mentioned this as being an issue before and you don't seem to have a notice period that parents are aware of either so that means that under the current system any family can stop, any time they want.

Even under a system where they have to give a month's notice, or they have to pay until the end of the summer holiday, or they have to pay a retainer to keep their place, any one of your families can give notice and that means your financial planning also has to be good to cover any times when you have fewer students which could happen if two or three give notice at the same time (eg. at the end of the school year when they don't need lessons any more). You can then take on new students but sometimes even if you have a waiting list, the people waiting can't come in the slots you have free, or people don't want to start until September.

If I was the Dad in this scenario I'd be pretty pissed off that you suddenly sprung this change on me without notice and were asking to be paid a retainer over the summer to keep the place which comes across very manipulative. Pay up or you lose the slot. It's fine to have that as part of your terms and conditions when people sign up because they can then decide whether to start the lessons or not, but it's mighty annoying if a tutor does that last minute as you have done.
If it were me I'd be ringing around tutors to see if I could get a place for the child for September and only if I couldn't would I pay your retainer.

Digdongdoo · 13/06/2025 08:02

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 07:49

It isn’t my poor financial planning though. It’s a pause by them of 3.5 months, last minute, without warning and earlier than expected (my other families I tutor for either stop in over a month or continue through the summer)
I can’t stop for 3.5 months, then they just call me when they’re ready again (which was 2-3 weeks after term had started last year.
Due to this, I think it’s a fair request

Of course it's poor planning. You've worked with them almost 3 years and left it until the very last minute to have this conversation. They're doing the same thing they did last year, so it isn't a last minute change.

Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 07:50

queenmeadhbh · 13/06/2025 07:07

Hi OP. I might be wrong but it sounds like you have asked this client to pay you over the summer and are waiting to see if he agrees, possibly explaining that you need the income? If so, I feel there is something that you still haven’t quite taken on board. You needing the income is neither here nor there, and not relevant to your discussions with the client. You need to put a very simple choice: to hold your spot for September, you will need to pay a retainer fee of £X. If you wish not to pay this then I cannot hold the spot and may have committed to other clients come September but you are of course more than welcome to get back in touch late August and I will let you know my availability.

apologies if I have got this wrong!

Yes this is what I said to him.

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Dogswimmingcompetition · 13/06/2025 07:49

Mrsttcno1 · 13/06/2025 07:25

Yeah, I wouldn’t say he sounds positive & if I was him I wouldn’t be impressed with you asking for more money last minute for your own poor financial planning so on that basis I’d be happy to stop using you anyway

It isn’t my poor financial planning though. It’s a pause by them of 3.5 months, last minute, without warning and earlier than expected (my other families I tutor for either stop in over a month or continue through the summer)
I can’t stop for 3.5 months, then they just call me when they’re ready again (which was 2-3 weeks after term had started last year.
Due to this, I think it’s a fair request

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Mrsttcno1 · 13/06/2025 07:25

Dogswimmingcompetition · 12/06/2025 22:42

From his response do you mean?

Yeah, I wouldn’t say he sounds positive & if I was him I wouldn’t be impressed with you asking for more money last minute for your own poor financial planning so on that basis I’d be happy to stop using you anyway

PrincessScarlett · 13/06/2025 07:09

OP, as you don't have a contract in place you don't have a leg to stand on asking for current clients to pay you over the summer when they don't need you.

Get a contract sorted asap and look to take on new clients for the summer. Unfortunately this is a lesson to learn about running a business and agree that you shouldn't be so reliant one one client.

queenmeadhbh · 13/06/2025 07:07

Hi OP. I might be wrong but it sounds like you have asked this client to pay you over the summer and are waiting to see if he agrees, possibly explaining that you need the income? If so, I feel there is something that you still haven’t quite taken on board. You needing the income is neither here nor there, and not relevant to your discussions with the client. You need to put a very simple choice: to hold your spot for September, you will need to pay a retainer fee of £X. If you wish not to pay this then I cannot hold the spot and may have committed to other clients come September but you are of course more than welcome to get back in touch late August and I will let you know my availability.

apologies if I have got this wrong!

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