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Part 2: MN misrepresentation in recommendations: a depressing blend of abject amateurism and outright greed

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Wondermoomin · 05/05/2025 17:36

Welcome to part 2. The quote I’ve added in the title is actually a generic quote about MNHQ not specifically about product recommendations, but it’s very eloquent and quotable.

Here is part one: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5326652-mn-have-used-my-quote-to-promote-a-product-ive-never-bought

And here’s a brief summary so far:

  • MN were caught out, allegedly acting in breach of ASA guidelines among other things
  • The thread was temporarily hidden
  • MN then provided a few explanation posts saying that this was a one-off cock-up and sorry that we MNers were confused
  • Then we were told that in 99% of cases, the quotes refer to the specific products being featured; in a tiny minority, they are referring to a generic product category and will make that clearer
  • Several users easily discovered multiple other examples, suggesting that it wasn’t just 1% of cases, or a one-off cock-up
  • MN went on an editing spree of their swears by/recommendations sections (editing about 64 out of 75 things), also suggesting it’s not just 1% or an isolated cock-up
  • The thread largely disappeared from active and trending, suggesting it’s been suppressed
  • MN says it hasn’t been suppressed, threads appear in active based on popularity and how new they are
  • Another MN source shows that they do sometimes remove threads from active to give them a chance to “calm down”

Please feel free to use this thread to capture any other examples you find, to update on anything you hear back from ASA, to provide your own professional or common sense input.

If you don’t agree, it’s probably not the thread for you so please feel free to pass on by! An issue doesn’t have to be the most pressing matter of our times to be important, and I think it’s important that trusted brands don’t mislead consumers.

MN have used my quote to promote a product I’ve never bought 🤔 | Mumsnet

AIBU to expect MN recommendations, where they quote a poster/member, to be genuine? I like being able to rely on recommendations in MN swears by...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5326652-mn-have-used-my-quote-to-promote-a-product-ive-never-bought

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JustineMumsnet · 06/05/2025 22:00

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Hi all,

Thanks to everyone who raised concerns about the use of quotes in our recommendation emails and on-site content. You were right to question it, and I want to reiterate unequivocally: I’m sorry this happened. It’s clear that our editorial standards haven't been high enough.

Our intention has always been to offer genuine, helpful recommendations that we believe Mumsnet users will love. I don’t believe there was ever a deliberate intent to mislead - we’ve always linked user quotes to their original threads and haven’t hidden the context. But, having now reviewed this thoroughly, it’s clear that in some cases we’ve been both lax and rushed in how we've used quotes to support recommendations.

Initially, I thought these were isolated incidents. I was wrong. Your feedback — and our internal review — shows this has happened more than a few times. That’s not acceptable, and we’re taking it seriously.

We’ve already started a full audit of all editorial content — including every Swears By and product review article (over 600 in total) — to ensure that every user quote is directly relevant to the product being recommended. Where quotes don’t meet that bar, they’ll be removed. If a quote is still helpful — say, it relates to a brand’s overall reliability or a feature common across a category — we’ll make sure it’s clearly marked as such.

For transparency: we do earn affiliate commission on most of the products we recommend (typically somewhere between 5–10% across a category), but no brand can buy an editorial recommendation. Sponsored content is clearly labelled, and our Mumsnet Reviews are based on weeks of hands-on, independent testing by our in-house team.

Trust has always been at the heart of Mumsnet. We can’t undo these mistakes, but we can fix them and do better. Thank you again for pointing it out - it’s been more than a bit humbling but incredibly helpful.

MurdoMunro · 09/07/2025 14:07

It’s good that people are periodically adding something to this threads. It serves as a reminder to be looking out for any comments from the ASA or others.

weirdoboelady · 09/07/2025 12:48

Months and months I think. I read their reports of recent complaints every week.

wizzler · 09/07/2025 10:11

Did anyone receive further updates from ASA or is it likely to take months and months?

Zonder · 08/07/2025 17:55

I don't click on any threads that are posted by MN now.

MurdoMunro · 08/07/2025 16:34

Not even hitting the link to take a look 😆

D20 · 19/06/2025 06:46

I saw the very first thread before it was hidden but it has actually taken until now for me to see any of the follow up (which is strange seeing how frequently I visit the page).

MurdoMunro · 19/06/2025 01:52

i haven’t been opening them since this kicked off. Same with those sponsored post things that hang around in active.

AuntyAgony · 18/06/2025 17:22

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 14:57

I now seeing something mumsnet recommends and actively avoid buying it!

Same! I keep getting various promotional emails from them so now I just have a nosey to see if they're still misleading but even if they weren't I wouldn't buy anything recommended my MN.

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 14:57

I now seeing something mumsnet recommends and actively avoid buying it!

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 15/06/2025 11:38

Noluthando · 15/06/2025 08:39

Can someone explain the big problem? Mumsnet couldn't exist without advertising, we get a free service to chat and problem solve. I wouldn't want Mumsnet not to be here. If anyone had time to, I'd be pleased to be enlightened or more informed.

Any service that provides advertisements is bound to adhere to certain rules. Mumsnet has broken those rules, which it has to follow by law.

HellonHeels · 15/06/2025 09:29

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 08:35

I hate that HQ might think that they’ve managed to get away with this

Well they've done a big splash with Monsoon, giving away children's clothes in exchange for feedback. Attempting to get actual genuine recommendations!

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 09:19

Noluthando · 15/06/2025 08:46

I've read some but not all of it ...

Yes, that is evident

Noluthando · 15/06/2025 08:46

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 08:43

You haven’t read the thread have you? Start at the first one and you’ll end up like the rest of us…. WTAF

I've read some but not all of it ...

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 08:43

Noluthando · 15/06/2025 08:39

Can someone explain the big problem? Mumsnet couldn't exist without advertising, we get a free service to chat and problem solve. I wouldn't want Mumsnet not to be here. If anyone had time to, I'd be pleased to be enlightened or more informed.

You haven’t read the thread have you? Start at the first one and you’ll end up like the rest of us…. WTAF

Noluthando · 15/06/2025 08:39

Can someone explain the big problem? Mumsnet couldn't exist without advertising, we get a free service to chat and problem solve. I wouldn't want Mumsnet not to be here. If anyone had time to, I'd be pleased to be enlightened or more informed.

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 08:35

I hate that HQ might think that they’ve managed to get away with this

Productiveweek · 15/06/2025 08:35

Wondermoomin · 29/05/2025 20:54

In other “news”, ASA are considering my complaint. I’m sure others are getting the same emails on roughly the same timing that I am.

Any update OP?

Thatfirstcoff · 03/06/2025 08:21

Just posted on thread 1…..

I was about to make a purchase on the basis of a mumsnet recommendation
having come across this thread…. Safe to say, I won’t be!

Hamandpineapplepizza · 30/05/2025 14:10

weirdoboelady · 30/05/2025 12:27

Another uninformative update

Dear
Re: ASA Complaint ref: A25-1290343 Mumsnet Ltd
Thank you for contacting the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA). I am sorry to hear that this ad has caused you concern.
We are currently considering your complaint and shall reply with more information in due course. Thank you for your patience during this time.

Kind regards

Cheryl Marasigan
Complaints Executive
asa.org.uk | 020 7492 2205 | [email protected]

It looks as though they are looking into it though

weirdoboelady · 30/05/2025 12:27

Another uninformative update

Dear
Re: ASA Complaint ref: A25-1290343 Mumsnet Ltd
Thank you for contacting the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA). I am sorry to hear that this ad has caused you concern.
We are currently considering your complaint and shall reply with more information in due course. Thank you for your patience during this time.

Kind regards

Cheryl Marasigan
Complaints Executive
asa.org.uk | 020 7492 2205 | [email protected]

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The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) is UK's regulator of advertising. We apply the Ad Codes, written by the Committees of Advertising Practice (CAP).

https://www.asa.org.uk/

financialmuddle · 30/05/2025 12:19

@JustineMumsnet, are you really not going to respond to the many examples showing your current product recommendations are also misleading and inaccurate? What happened to the concern you expressed on the previous thread?

wizzler · 30/05/2025 10:54

I’ve just switched off the feed … realised I don’t believe it anymore so no point cluttering my inbox

EvadneCake · 30/05/2025 08:16

Wondermoomin · 29/05/2025 20:53

Oh Mumsnet 🤦🏻‍♀️

Instead of taking a product with multiple mentions on that thread, they’ve taken one that says “Elizabeth Arden” and presumed that the poster must have meant Estee Lauder advanced repair serum.

It probably was meant to be Estée Lauder, but Elizabeth Arden have a product with “advanced… renewal” in the name so it’s not certain. I wonder why they didn’t use the more frequently mentioned Nivea example from the thread. 🤔 💰

Guess the algorithm they're using to search for brand names needs considerable improvement.
Plus a person checking the output.
The continued appearance of different product, slated products etc suggests:
AI
Other software
No, limited or incompetent human overview

TURNYOURCAPSLOCKOFF · 29/05/2025 22:43

Wondermoomin · 29/05/2025 20:53

Oh Mumsnet 🤦🏻‍♀️

Instead of taking a product with multiple mentions on that thread, they’ve taken one that says “Elizabeth Arden” and presumed that the poster must have meant Estee Lauder advanced repair serum.

It probably was meant to be Estée Lauder, but Elizabeth Arden have a product with “advanced… renewal” in the name so it’s not certain. I wonder why they didn’t use the more frequently mentioned Nivea example from the thread. 🤔 💰

Recommending a completely different product 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣