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Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

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ThisPinkWyvern · 22/02/2025 02:04

Under Trump's transgender policy, which echoes the ideology of the Gender Critical Movement, trans women are men and trans men are women. This view denies and rejects as worthless and baseless the lived experience of millions of men and women in the US who identify as trans. As a result of having their lived experience of themself ignored and denied by law, millions of trans men as well as trans women are now experiencing deep psychological trauma and living in abject fear and terror in the US. Many are trying to leave the country because they are so terrified.

The almost total silence of the Gender Critical Movement and it's supporters about the effect that it's ideology has had on those hundreds of thousand of women who self identify as men is deafening.It's whole argument about banning trans women from female public toilets and other ' women only spaces' is based on the argument that denying trans women the right to access these spaces is needed to protect the safety of women and girls. Given the fear, terror and trauma that hundreds of thousands of women( trans men) are now experiencing in the US, as a result of the government putting into practise Gender Critical Movement ideology, the sense of safety and well-being of hundreds of thousands of women has been devastated. This makes the infinitesimally small number of cases where women have been or ever would be assaulted by a trans woman in a women only space pale into insignificance by comparison.

In short, the Gender Critical Movement is directly responsible for harming the well being of hundreds of thousands of WOMEN according to it's own ideology.The damage done by implementing it's ideology makes a sickening mockery of it's claim that it's ideology protects the safety of women and girls.

When the number of men( trans women) in the US who are now living in fear and terror in the US is taken into account as well, the Gender Critical Movement and all those who support it are directly responsible for terrorising millions of people. It is impossible to claim that we are supporting women's rights and protecting the safety of women if we support the Gender Critical Movement.

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Chersfrozenface · 23/02/2025 07:37

forgotmyusername1 · 23/02/2025 07:30

I don't think I would clock Jamie Raines. Partly because he is 6ft 2 so unusually tall for someone born female.

If he were 5ft 4 (average female height) then I probably would

6' 2" is fairly tall for a man in the UK where the male average height is 5' 9".

It's extremely unusual for a natal female. Fewer than 1% of women are over 6'.

forgotmyusername1 · 23/02/2025 07:30

I don't think I would clock Jamie Raines. Partly because he is 6ft 2 so unusually tall for someone born female.

If he were 5ft 4 (average female height) then I probably would

Helleofabore · 23/02/2025 07:04

FrippEnos · 22/02/2025 23:11

But it is such a good example of gaslighting from TRAs.

You know Fripp, I read this thread back early this morning because I wanted to get my head around what had and hadn’t been said and done because something has felt disconnected and discordant. I think you are certainly onto something here.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2025 05:03

Fimofriend · 22/02/2025 13:36

@Helleofabore Hayton thought that female power was based on breast size? That is hilarious! How? Was it women's power over men, society in general, or in women's internal hierarchy? Can you remember his username so that I can look for the thread? I could use a good laugh.

I am sorry that I missed this Fimofriend. I cannot remember the specifics, but D.H was a regular poster here for quite a while under their own name in some form. They stopped posting on MN pretty soon after.

Enough4me · 22/02/2025 23:59

My name means enough4me of the lies that single sex spaces are magically not needed now some men say they want them to be unisex spaces.
If any posters here are in doubt:
no thanks to men in our spaces.
You want them in your spaces, loos, prisons, wards, sports then create third spaces and join them.
Although, how many men pretending to be women want to undress next to other men pretending to be women?

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 23:34

Glitterknickerbockers · 22/02/2025 23:16

Why do you regularly claim to know who people are and that they are hiding behind name changes? It's a claim you make quite often. These are all anonymous strangers on an online forum, how you can possibly claim to know who anyone is?

Please enlighten us as to who this person is.

Did you miss this bit of that particular OP?

“FYI: I've name changed for this to avoid a pile-on.”

It was the very first sentence.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 23:30

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 22/02/2025 23:25

Please enlighten us as to who this person is

i really don’t think this is a good idea

i am crap with name changes, absolutely pants

Good advice, Rufus. Though I doubt anyone is going fo start discussing what username is who. Because that is not the point and as you say, it is irrelevant.

The point is that the poster announced that they had name changed on the thread. It wasn’t rocket science. The poster was upfront that they name changed.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 22/02/2025 23:25

Please enlighten us as to who this person is

i really don’t think this is a good idea

i am crap with name changes, absolutely pants

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 23:23

Glitterknickerbockers · 22/02/2025 23:16

Why do you regularly claim to know who people are and that they are hiding behind name changes? It's a claim you make quite often. These are all anonymous strangers on an online forum, how you can possibly claim to know who anyone is?

Please enlighten us as to who this person is.

That is interesting, thanks for raising the issue. Do name changes confuse you so you can only recognise patterns in posters who don’t change their usernames, and don’t see patterns in posters who change usernames?

Glitterknickerbockers · 22/02/2025 23:16

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 22:44

this one you mean?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sitestuff/5261547-fwr

Where the poster, a known regular, despite the name change. posted a thread that mischaracterised other regular posters actions while never acknowledging their own negative generalisations in their posts and that they resort to personal attacks as they did on that thread.

Something they conveniently didn’t mention. The name change didn’t hide who the poster was.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters are regularly bullied.

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Why do you regularly claim to know who people are and that they are hiding behind name changes? It's a claim you make quite often. These are all anonymous strangers on an online forum, how you can possibly claim to know who anyone is?

Please enlighten us as to who this person is.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/02/2025 23:15

FrippEnos · 22/02/2025 23:11

But it is such a good example of gaslighting from TRAs.

I know. Cornflakes doesn't realise they are proving the point of women.

Or maybe they are a double agent?

lifeturnsonadime · 22/02/2025 23:13

Anyway, lets stop feeding Cornflakes.

The detraction from the point of the thread is deliberate.

Women, as a sex class do not include men, even ones who really think they are women.

There is no excuse for males to be in women's single sex spaces when they know that many women say no.

Males, (including transwomen) who engage in such behaviours are predators. They literally don't care about women's consent.

FrippEnos · 22/02/2025 23:11

lifeturnsonadime · 22/02/2025 23:09

Honestly, you have some gall saying that Helleofabore is engaging in 'hidden bullying.

Anyone reading these posts can see who the aggressor is.

But it is such a good example of gaslighting from TRAs.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/02/2025 23:09

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Honestly, you have some gall saying that Helleofabore is engaging in 'hidden bullying.

Anyone reading these posts can see who the aggressor is.

Blueuggboots · 22/02/2025 22:55

It is this simple basic logic that was responsible for the term transsexual being coined - so yes, an individual can change their biological sex and a post op transgender woman is therefore a biological woman.

So if I have to have my breasts removed and a hysterectomy, does that make me a man?

You CANNOT change your biological sex because your chromosomes are in every single cell of your being.

Cutting off your penis and having a new surgical fistula produced does not make you a woman, nor does having a large penis shaped organ sewn to your mound of Venus make you a man.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 22:55

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 22:18

It is hard to follow isn’t it? There have been accusations that posters have bullied, yet the accused thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji. Accusations of mocking, yet the poster has accused posters of posting nonsensical comments and stupid questions.

All while declaring they cannot express an alternative opinion while posting accusations and what amounts to personal attacks while
posting thos alternative comments. It is a form of negative feedback farming, post an opinion, but include comments that dismiss, or diminish or derogate others so peoole respond and accusations of not accepting that alternative opinion are made.

And when the behaviour is pointed out, posters need to seek help and who cares anyway?

It is remarkable really. But it isn’t surprising from posters who dismiss women who state that they need single sex toilets. It does seem all too familiar.

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“yet the accused thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji.”

should be

yet the poster thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 22:51

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters are regularly bullied.

apologies.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters on MN are regularly bullied.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 22:44

Glitterknickerbockers · 22/02/2025 22:35

You're not the only one who's noticed.

A few weeks ago someone posted in site stuff complaining about this behaviour on the FWR board, they all turned up there and shouted her down while mocking her between them.

It was quite incredible. The irony was shocking.

this one you mean?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sitestuff/5261547-fwr

Where the poster, a known regular, despite the name change. posted a thread that mischaracterised other regular posters actions while never acknowledging their own negative generalisations in their posts and that they resort to personal attacks as they did on that thread.

Something they conveniently didn’t mention. The name change didn’t hide who the poster was.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters are regularly bullied.

ladymammalade · 22/02/2025 22:43

JLou08 · 22/02/2025 18:59

I agree with you and fully support the trans community. I've not read and won't read the comments here though as I suspect on MN they will be full of hate, I don't think you will influence anyone through this site, the transphobics are too loud here.

You assume incorrectly.

The reason you won't read the comments is because you prefer to bury your head in the sand - if you read the comments you'll be forced to realise many of them make sense.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/02/2025 22:43

Glitterknickerbockers · 22/02/2025 22:35

You're not the only one who's noticed.

A few weeks ago someone posted in site stuff complaining about this behaviour on the FWR board, they all turned up there and shouted her down while mocking her between them.

It was quite incredible. The irony was shocking.

They turned up asking for receipts. Naturally. They didn’t get any (shock).
Wash rinse repeat. And to some this is ‘shouting down’ and ‘mocking’.
No. You state something you at least try and back it up with something, anything. If you can’t you’re going to be called out.

Glitterknickerbockers · 22/02/2025 22:35

Cornflakes123 · 22/02/2025 22:06

All because I said some of the posts about toilets are nonsensical I’ve had nothing but alerts to messages all day telling me how wrong I am, how irrational and stupid I am etc etc. funny I notice it’s the same people on all these threads who act this way and gang up on anyone who disagrees with them on any point even if it’s a minor one. It’s ridiculous. May as well just discuss among yourselves. There is no point anyone else getting involved in such threads.

You're not the only one who's noticed.

A few weeks ago someone posted in site stuff complaining about this behaviour on the FWR board, they all turned up there and shouted her down while mocking her between them.

It was quite incredible. The irony was shocking.

Tarquinthecat · 22/02/2025 22:31

I think it might be a good idea for you to sit down and have a jolly good think about where on earth this nonsense came from.

This has come out of nowhere and has only been around for about 10 years. Those of us like me who are in their 60s never met a single person throughout our entire schooling, our neighborhoods, our clubs, our groups, our families, our college, our university, our workplaces who identified as being the opposite sex and then went around aggressively demanding that everyone bows down to their wishes, their pronouns, and all the rest of the nonsense that goes with it.

Helleofabore · 22/02/2025 22:18

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 22/02/2025 22:09

and now with the exaggeration

It is hard to follow isn’t it? There have been accusations that posters have bullied, yet the accused thinks nothing of posting a bullying hidden emoji. Accusations of mocking, yet the poster has accused posters of posting nonsensical comments and stupid questions.

All while declaring they cannot express an alternative opinion while posting accusations and what amounts to personal attacks while
posting thos alternative comments. It is a form of negative feedback farming, post an opinion, but include comments that dismiss, or diminish or derogate others so peoole respond and accusations of not accepting that alternative opinion are made.

And when the behaviour is pointed out, posters need to seek help and who cares anyway?

It is remarkable really. But it isn’t surprising from posters who dismiss women who state that they need single sex toilets. It does seem all too familiar.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 22/02/2025 22:09

Cornflakes123 · 22/02/2025 22:01

A smiling emoji on a post I found amusing is just unforgivable abuse isn’t it? Oh I’m going to hell that’s for sure. Lol.

and now with the exaggeration

Cornflakes123 · 22/02/2025 22:09

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/02/2025 22:05

From your posts over a couple of threads I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about never mind me.

Sorry which posts specifically do you mean ?
Can you elaborate .

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