Trans men are women according to Gender Critical Movement

Why do you care about being a women or what it means be a woman though?? I'm a cisgender woman and couldn't give a sht who called themselves one. It doesn't effect anything or any of our rights.

This is a good read. Thanks for archive link borntobequiet.

Do people really think this line of argument is likely to be convincing to anyone else?

"Trans women are women so I have no idea why any of you are objecting to these women who are just the same as other women using women's spaces"

It's because they are men. Any man, however absurd it is, and however misogynistic that man is, according to your mantra can say he is a woman tomorrow and you will have to respect that he is and has always been a woman, and let him speak over women about his marginalised experience of being a male woman.

That's the problem here.

Pity you weren't in med school with me so. You're all so ignorant in the UK when it comes to transpeople. Is it not being thought in schools or through the NHS?

Why do you all even care if someone calls themselves their correct gender. It doesn't threaten anyone or anything. Please get educated.

Lots of things don’t affect my daily life as a woman, but I care about them, as do many other women.

Transwomen are men, biological males. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be trans.

I am not implying anyone on this thread was you at all. I made the point about the linked thread because the other poster referred to you. Not because I believed you were on the thread. Whether you were even on this thread was not relevant.

I am not obsessed with me changers. I notice patterns in posting just as others do.

I also encourage anyone who wants to name change to do so, just like I encourage anyone who wishes to post on MN to do so. MN is great, we should all be on here reading and discussing as much as possible about topics that interest us.

lol of course they’re not, otherwise they’d just be women wouldnt they?

and you might not be bothered about women being redefined as “adult human females and men who perform larp of female stereotypes” but I bloody do.

how about if redefine children to mean “juvenile humans and adults should really feeeel young”? Or drivers “to people who passed their driving test and people who didn’t but really feeel like they can drive’?

Transw are men, it's the sole and absolute qualification. Wearing a skirt and make-up doesn't make them women.

They aren't though. They are men. Facts are important.

Transwomen are women.

They aren't though. And I think you know that.

Transwomen are women. They don't effect my daily life as a woman so why would I care about what they do.

I actually don’t claim to be all knowing.

But as others have already answered, sometimes you can tell who has posted before under a different name. Particularly when the poster has made it the very first line in their opening post.

@Helleofabore

this one you mean?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sitestuff/5261547-fwrr*

Where the poster, a known regular, despite the name change. posted a thread that mischaracterised other regular postersactions while never acknowledging their own negative generalisations in their posts and that they resort to personal attacks as they did on that thread.

Something they conveniently didn’t mention. The name change didn’t hide who the poster was.

They also never acknowledged how that thread appeared on another social media platform where posters are regularly bullied.

I hear myself being discussed?

Lovely misrepresentation of the linked thread, Hellofabore.

And you are obsessed with name changes. Posters have every right to name change, and in fact, it's a good practice to keep up. I do it for a few reasons: I don't want my post history to be spliced together and linked back to me; I don't wish to be tracked across the forum; and within FWR foul comments about a previous name caused me to change that.

If you are implying someone on this thread is actually me, I guess you can shelve that theory now. 😄

I think there’s been some discussion of risk on here.

This is an article (archive version, courtesy of another thread) by Kathleen Stock that spells out some of the issues very clearly.

archive.is/Yqb57

I always think its like being able to tell if someone is trans, i think it ranges from people who will be able to tell every single time and people who will never be able to tell

when it comes to spotting posters i can never tell

@Booboobagins

How do you change gender?
How do you live as a woman if you are biologically male?

There's a difference between knowing they name changed, and claiming that it was irrelevant because you still know who they are though isn't there.

Some people absolutely know for a fact when certain people change usernames. They don’t have to guess from writing styles.

Well exactly this.

There is a world of difference between someone asking to be accepted/not ridiculed if they want to present in opposite clothing/style choices.

Compared to someone asking society to affirm a lie that they are actually the opposite sex and treat them as such, no exceptions - regardless of the impact this has on everyone else.

The extremists completely overshot, into demands that are totally self centred and not good for society at large. I feel really bad for the quiet trans contingent of group number one. They are victims of the extremists and they don't deserve that. But unfortunately they got shouted down.

If only they would just quietly get on with their lives, in ways that don't remove biological women's rights.

If that's what the majority are doing then why is "trans women are women" rammed down peoples throats, why is a nurse trying to get changed in a woman's changing room losing her job for objecting to the presence of a biological male whilst she attempted to change soiled clothes caused by with peri meno flooding. Why why why for all the other things women are supposed to accept from deluded men?

Why are you always so rude and patronising?

I notice patterns in people's writing styles. If someone else sounded like you I wouldn't think anything of it. It's an anonymous internet forum. I have more interesting things going on in my life that playing MN Miss Marple and feeling proud of myself for thinking I bested the name changers and announcing in a superior way i know who you are! You don't fool me!

I find it strange. And I can only see two motivations for it, either to make yourself look clever, or to intimidate people into thinking their anonymity isn't real and you know who they are. Neither are nice.

FYI, you've accused me of being a regular poster under another user name before. Only I wasn't, because it was my first and only username at the time and I hadn't been here long. So not as all knowing as you think.

OP didn't come back then? I was sure we'd get another fact free emotional screed at about 3am. Oh well.

Yeah I saw that.

There's a difference between knowing they name changed, and claiming that it was irrelevant because you still know who they are though isn't there.

I think you know that. So why the sarcasm?

Trans women are men according to Biology.

There, fixed it for you.

Jamie in photos looks male but in videos the face shape, neck shape, face and body movements, build, particularly around the shoulders and chest area looks different. The voice is not feminine but not distinctly adult male.
Jamie is like a bigger version of my son before puberty started at around 11(he suddenly shot up at this age, neck, shoulders, build started to change and his voice became distinctly male).

I’ve never seen videos of Jamie standing up so, although I know their height, that doesn’t affect my perception of their sex. Watching videos of Jamie and their wife, it’s like watching two women chat and joke. Some transmen look more masculine than others, but I always think Jamie appears very feminine. Hard to explain but the vibe given off is that of a female person. Look at Jamie and imagine the facial hair and swollen nose gone. Those things both stand out to me as ‘wrong’ on Jamie’s face.