To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

the vocal toxic minority is online, shouting louder than the reasonable people. Here comes the dystopian technofascist future nobody wants.

OP, who do you see replacing him? Angela Raynor?

Trump’s victory is the kiss of death for wokeism being a political force worldwide, they ll never win another election, whenever the next elections are.

And with or without Trump, considering Starmer’s rate of shooting himself in the foot, he won’t last until the next election, he has no political sense.

I think that was painfully obvious a long time before we went to the polls.

Why would people in the UK care about what Trump thinks? Maybe if his own country wasn't such a shitshow he might have an opinion worth listening to.

I can't imagine the UK is even registering remotely on Trump's radar at the moment for any reason.

He's got big tech company favours to dish out, the war in Gaza, Russia, the US border, the Panama Canal, trans issues, deleting the US from a bunch of different international organisations, launching his crypto, and a million other things. Plus he still needs to fit in daily McDonald's, yelling on social media, and golf.

He gives no shits about a minor ally thousands of miles away who isn't actually doing anything of note in any way. He isn't even meeting with Starmer for another month.

And no one in the UK can do anything with an election 3 years away.

I made clear that I was not referring to anyone who had been violence or called for violence and that I abhor violence

As per pp you used these two specimens as an example of political dissidents.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence

We have tactical voting here - and I heard one prominent Tory say they lost as many votes to the Lib dems as they did to Reform.

So I was going to keep an eye on them - I could see them getting even bigger from disaffect center , Labour and Tory voters - depend what they all do in the next 4 and half years really.

I'm not a yank if that is what you are trying to imply.

Don't bother with the thanks, absolutely not necessary. But ‘greatness’

Made me laugh at least.

Can Starmer survive 6 months in, because Trump is in power? What utter BOLLOCKS....Someone's reads Daily Heil far too much or gone down the rabbit hole of social media.

When I read posts like this it reminds me why it was such a good idea to give up Facebook, Insta and X...

We've had Farage lite for 14 years and it fucked the country over, big business getting richer, poor getting poorer , demonising immigrants and increasing their numbers by hundreds of thousands at the same time, it was a total shit show.

Its an irrelevance anyway, the right wing in this party have fucked themselves over by splitting their vote between Reform and Tories. There only hope is Farage wrapping up Reform and leading the Tories, the trouble is this will cause some Tories to hold their noses and jump to a new independant party or even cross over to Lib Dems . Its what happened here and other places, we lost our Tory MP to Lib Dems, this used to be a safe Tory seat, Reform were nowhere in votes around here ( leafy, middle classed south east commuter belt).

I've literally just had the new bulletin on where they are saying guy bought a knife via amazon so the talk is about requiring on line knife shopping to require two forms of ID.

So not only is gun crime very low in UK as guns tend to be hard to get hold of due to heavy regulation - all the news at time said knife and all talk now is about knife.

I assume they must be in USA - were mass killings tend to be guns - and despite fact they are only country in entire world who suffers regular school shooting - have no idea how to stop them.

USA doesn't get to pick UK leaders OP - and I think *RedToothBrush *has a point - outsiders coming in trying to tell us what to do will likely not go the way they expect.

you have to be a British citizen to be Prime Minister so that counts Obama
out

They’ll be fine - Starmer will be professional and sensible and if he has any sense, he will redirect Trump and point the King at him. Trump loves the monarchy and Starmer isn’t an idiot. I don’t think Lammy should spend too much time with Trump but if you shove Charles and Camilla up front and a state banquet that will be enough.

I can’t see Angela Rayner sucking it up. (Should she be PM when Starmer is allegedly told to step aside - why?!)

“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”

Thankyou

Weird I think Trump might HELP Starmer!

Why?

Well as much as people will go Trump / Musk have a point, THEY AREN'T BRITISH.

And theres something stubborn about the British that dislike being told what to do and think by foreigners. It helped to fuel Brexit. And as much as Americans think they are 'the same as the British' we don't feel the same.

Weirdly I also think this was part of the motivation for Farage to go against Musk with comments regarding Tommy Robinson. Farage knows and understands British mentality on this and where the red lines of British thought are.

Tommy Robinson was one he wasn't willing to cross publically, although I think he fundamentally agrees with Musk on principle.

He knows that as soon as this starts being framed as 'Americans coming over here and telling us what to do', it'll go down badly in a lot of those who might consider voting for him otherwise.

Basically Farage knows that theres a point when Trump and Musk need to know when to sit down and shut up when it comes to British politics or it will backfire and will fuel begruding support for Starmer.

Starmer unfortunately has very,very quickly turned out to be shit (and I've never voted Conservative) I do wonder though how Obama ever became President in such a crazy places as the US - I wonder if he might come over here? I really think he'd be appreciated more and we could really do with someone with charisma and intelligence to lead the country.

Starmer will be 'hanging in' until no later than Wednesday 15 August 2029, which is when the next UK general election needs to have been held by. Trump has no influence on that, or on who is head of the Labour party.

Oh yes....let's allow that moron to decide who leads our government. Great idea; we could also make bridges out of jelly.

Yes this opinion is used all the time by the left.. It's honestly impossible to counter argue with you lot. I can see the difference and things are actually worse now. 😂
They all go to the same schools, all live their privelaged lifestyles and have the same ridiculous salaries and bonuses year on year despite being the "working people's party".
Left - goodbye women's spaces, more rights for migrants than the people actually working here and paying tax every year, more verbal diarrhea we are better than the tories and nothing to actually show for it.
Bowing out of the thread now as I'm sure I'll be set upon with a bunch of new counter arguments. 😂
Ps I'm not pro tory or pro Labour.

We are all living with the consequences of Brexit and 14 years of Tory rule. We got badly burned listening to Farage.

However much I think Labour needs to work on their comms I don't think there is much desire to embrace the right wing here.

It’s a public forum which some seem to struggle with, whenever a poster is not pro Labour or Starmer enough

The predictable cries of ‘bot’ are tedious from the usual suspects.

So this wasn't you?

User09678 · 17/01/2025 15:43

randomchap · 17/01/2025 15:38
Which ones? Come on, you made the claim. Back it up
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two-men-jailed-for-social-media-posts-that-stirred-up-far-right-violence

You claimed that these men were political dissidents.

"Jordan Parlour, 28, was jailed for 20 months after pleading guilty to inciting racial hatred with Facebook posts in which he advocated an attack on a hotel in Leeds as part of the violent public disorder that swept England last week.

In Northampton, Tyler Kay, 26, was given three years and two months in prison for posts on X that called for mass deportation and for people to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers."

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5254221-to-believe-that-people-who-repeatedly-commit-violent-crimes-should-lose-their-freedom-permanently?page=2