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For being terrified after visit from Nottingham Knockers?

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thesecondmrsdewinter20 · 18/12/2024 23:31

Was wfh today and expecting a parcel so when I heard a knock on the door I answered. A young man told me he was an ex con selling things door to door as part of a rehabilitation project and asked to show me what he was selling. Politely but firmly told him I wasn’t interested. Later told DP what had happened and we read about Nottingham Knockers. Planning to call 101 in the morning and the house is all locked up but quite worried as we don’t have a security system, it’s our first home and we moved in only three months ago. I’m going to see if I can get a ring doorbell sorted over the next couple of days but we are going away on Monday for Christmas and I’m terrified the house will be broken into. Does anyone have any advice / reassurance? We are young, in our 30s, and I was quite obviously wary in speaking to him, so I’m not sure we’d really be a target (apparently they target the elderly / vulnerable / anyone willing to hand over cash on the doorstep) but quite frightened.

OP posts:
Porcuporpoise · 19/12/2024 07:42

I've had them at the door occasionally. Once bought a special tub of upvc cleaner from them. It was quite good.

I thought the scam was they're not all fresh out of prison and the goods they sell are overpriced.

rewilded · 19/12/2024 07:44

sommerjade · 18/12/2024 23:53

Thanks for the link @thesecondmrsdewinter20 I sent it to my dad as he had a young man call round selling stuff who had a card saying he was 'deaf & dumb' luckily he didn't buy anything but he felt bad as he's deaf himself.
Plus he's 77 & assumed the man was genuine.
I told him it was probably a scam!

Yes I had a guy come round who said he was deaf and dumb he was selling 'hand-drawn' pictures. I was taken in for a minute he was very convincing. I didn't buy anything and then thought it didn't add up when he left. I wondered if an elderly person had answered the door how they may find it unsettling and under pressure to buy something so I called the police. I had three follow up calls from them and they sent out cars to patrol so they are concerned about the issue.

Mollymalone123 · 19/12/2024 07:44

we get them dropped off in a van to the rural villages where I live.i shouted to the last one who was trying to persuade an elderly woman to buy bits from him.She was grateful as he was quite aggressive-he went straight on his phone to get picked up by his boss-I shouted at him and said I knew what he was up to and I’d call the police if he didn’t get lost.was terrified afterwards 😂 and husband wasn’t thrilled when I told him but I was so angry at the time i didn’t think.Odd thing is they all have Liverpudlian accents and we are in Devon.

TiramisuCheesecake · 19/12/2024 07:46

WinterMorn · 18/12/2024 23:57

I have worked with numerous burglars over the years through the course of my job and not one of them was a Nottingham Knocker. ANYONE could be a potential burglar. Are you terrified of the gas man, or the door to door leaflet dropper?

Many mumsnetters are. Never open your door, do not engage with any member of the public because they are all out to rape/kill/rob you.

Have never heard the term "Nottingham Knocker" but we have had these people round the door in the past too. We never ever buy anything door to door, so just say no thanks, close the door, job done. Nothing to be terrified about.

Channellingsophistication · 19/12/2024 07:46

I had one knock the door, the day after I’d seen it on tv!. I just politely said no thank you. I was living on my own at the time with my baby so I was a bit nervous but nothing happened thankfully.

You have to get a balance, between being wary and not overthinking it. Not always easy.!

CAJIE · 19/12/2024 07:47

urso because a person is 77 they have no judgement and will always believe any scammer.So patronising and why the hell do people say 'oh bless' when they are talking about an older person.How patronising and ageist.And as for being terrifed by a nottingham knocker I am sorry but you have a low bar for terror.

rewilded · 19/12/2024 07:54

CAJIE · 19/12/2024 07:47

urso because a person is 77 they have no judgement and will always believe any scammer.So patronising and why the hell do people say 'oh bless' when they are talking about an older person.How patronising and ageist.And as for being terrifed by a nottingham knocker I am sorry but you have a low bar for terror.

People target elderly people maybe not someone who is 77 but yes it is a thing and no not ageist.

AlteredStater · 19/12/2024 07:54

Probably about a decade ago or even longer we had a young man show up at the door with a bag, said he was an ex-prisoner trying to get back on his feet and would we be interested in buying a few things. We didn't really need anything but we bought about £20 worth probably because we felt sorry for him. He was perfectly pleasant and went on his way. Heard no more about it, certainly weren't broken into at any point later on.

A couple of years later had another similar one but said no thanks to him. He had a bit of an unpleasant attitude and stalked off grumbling. It was only much later I heard about this type of scam.

Edit: I don't think there's any reason to be 'terrified', honestly.

RetroTotty · 19/12/2024 07:58

user1492757084 · 19/12/2024 00:35

Are you far from Sherwood Forest?

Are you suggesting Our Dear Robin Hood is out and about selling J cloths? 🤔

MasterShardlake · 19/12/2024 07:59

They're often in our village, sometimes 2 together.
My dog hears them talking and knocking on neighbours doors and barks furiously so they never come to my house.

Conniebygaslight · 19/12/2024 08:25

an elderly lady across from me had a man push is way in past her and refused to leave until she gave him money. She was very badly shaken.

Beezknees · 19/12/2024 08:35

YABU to be "terrified", seems a massive overreaction!

Gem359 · 19/12/2024 09:02

IcecreamWhatSandwich · 19/12/2024 07:11

The link which has now been posted three times is not from the police and appears to be absolute nonsense:

> When the note is handed over, the lad examines the condition and how long it took the person to get it. If it is crumpled, they accept it and move on. If it is crisp flat and new – they are much more interested and may engage the person in more conversation, to obtain details about them. As they leave they will smell the note. If it is slightly musty – this is an indication that there is more in the property.

The scam is that they sell you something overpriced. That's the whole scam. They literally got your money, why would they combine this with burglary? If they were going to burgle you, there are much better ways of checking your home out without arousing suspicion. They're not smelling ten pound notes to divine if you have a whole stack under your mattress.

The police disagree with you:
'The “sales pitches” can also be part of a wider operation to identify burglary targets.'
https://www.westmercia.police.uk/news/west-mercia/news/2022/october/beware-of-nottingham-knockers-selling-items-door-to-door

No one is going to make much money selling over priced dish cloths door to door so it's hardly surprising that there is likely to be more to it.

I don't know why people are being so bitchy to the OP, why not just tell her it's fine? People are always so desperate to feel superior on here.

GoldsolesLugs · 19/12/2024 09:46

WinterMorn · 19/12/2024 00:40

I have read all of the posts on this thread OP, and I stand by my point that the paranoia on MN is out of kilter with the average person on the street. It’s not judgemental in the slightest to say this.

Yes! It really gives you an insight into how people live. They're also not interested in examining it at all, not only replying to the meaner questioning posts as "judgemental" or "unkind".

MimiMe24 · 19/12/2024 10:00

We get them regularly and no burglaries-even after DH once bought a £20 duster from them 🤦‍♀️

I now see them as a bit of a joke: I had one a few years back who was trying to charm me, when my moggy came into view. He’s big, but he is quite clearly a cat. Nottingham Knocker: “oh he’s lovely. Is he a Border Collie”? (And have now outed myself as I couldn’t not share that with all those near and dear to me!!)

MasterBeth · 19/12/2024 10:05

SurelySmartie · 19/12/2024 05:22

What ‘phraseology’ did op use that was offensive?

I didn't say it was offensive. I said I resented the phrase "Nottingham Knockers".

Imagine the grief you'd get if this was called
The Scouse Scam or the Dublin Doorstep.

thesecondmrsdewinter20 · 19/12/2024 10:06

Thanks to all have provided helpful advice and reassurance. In hindsight, I was probably over egging it by describing myself as ‘terrified’, uneasy would have been more accurate. I do think it’s reasonable to be uneasy after learning this is a scam to assess houses for future burglaries, even if we are at low risk of being targeted. The whole thing just felt off. Anyway it’s been a stressful year and I’m sure part of my reaction is about feeling daunted at the new responsibility of being a homeowner, even if this something I’ve worked towards for a long time.

I hope everyone who posted something mean has enjoyed feeling superior. I won’t be looking at the thread again (and will think twice before posting another in the future!).

Merry Christmas 🎄

OP posts:
Turbobaby · 19/12/2024 10:31

This is making me laugh. My ex was a Nottingham knocker for a while (literally, from Nottingham and travelling to other towns selling cleaning products door to door). He and everyone else in the group with him were just hard up and trying to make a little cash, nothing else. He has never committed a crime of any kind.

If all someone did was knock on the door and ask if you want to buy something, and when you said no they went away, then all the rest of this hysteria is just ridiculous.

GasPanic · 19/12/2024 10:34

If I was thinking of burglarising someones house or scamming them out of money I wouldn't announce to them I was an ex. con.

StScholastica · 19/12/2024 10:40

We are v v lucky to live next door to as man who is 6'7" built like a castle and has anger issues.
His standard response when opening the door is to menacingly say "Fuck off" at whoever it is.
As a result no body in our street gets unsolicited callers anymore.

WinterMorn · 19/12/2024 11:30

GoldsolesLugs · 19/12/2024 09:46

Yes! It really gives you an insight into how people live. They're also not interested in examining it at all, not only replying to the meaner questioning posts as "judgemental" or "unkind".

Yep, anyone who doesn’t immediately agree that it was an immensely traumatic event is labeled as a keyboard warrior, harsh or nasty!

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 19/12/2024 11:36

The only way I can think of this as 'casing the joint' is, perhaps, and giving all meanings the loosest possible definition, checking which houses might have a dog.

Knocking on doors and seeing if someone answers might be a way to check if anyone was in, but opportunistic burglars are most likely to just try the door to see if it's locked, dash in, grab things and dash out. Knocking first to check if there's a dog that might raise an alarm would be sensible.

ItGhoul · 19/12/2024 12:05

OP, people really don't need to knock at your door and try to sell you dishcloths to 'assess your house for burglaries'. 'Nottingham Knockers' make money by scamming you with shit goods at vast prices and a sob story, not by casing the joint.

If a would-be burglar wants to see if your house is easy to break into, they can see that simply by looking at your house. They don't need to knock at your door.

AlteredStater · 19/12/2024 12:36

MimiMe24 · 19/12/2024 10:00

We get them regularly and no burglaries-even after DH once bought a £20 duster from them 🤦‍♀️

I now see them as a bit of a joke: I had one a few years back who was trying to charm me, when my moggy came into view. He’s big, but he is quite clearly a cat. Nottingham Knocker: “oh he’s lovely. Is he a Border Collie”? (And have now outed myself as I couldn’t not share that with all those near and dear to me!!)

😂😂😂

viques · 19/12/2024 12:48

UndeniablyGenX · 19/12/2024 07:19

In these increasingly cashless days, I'm surprised the condition of a note could be taken as a guide to the pickings in a house. From many people, you'd probably be getting an 'emergency tenner' that was stashed somewhere.

It strikes me that the knockers must be on an increasingly sticky wicket. Many people don’t keep much, if any, cash in the house, so to survive are the knockers provided with very sophisticated card readers that manage to work perfectly every time no matter how poor the signal ? If so many people would be more worried that the card readers were being used to pinch their card details so would probably decide not to purchase if they didn’t have cash.

I predict that the knockers will fade out, like rag and bone men, knife grinders, onion sellers, the Kleeneezee man, the encyclopaedia salesman, and all the other itinerant sellers who used to enliven a bored housewife’s day.