Child Safeguarding Win, Puberty Blockers have been indefinitely banned across the ENTIRE of the UK (for off label use, precocious puberty use remains)

Lies and emotional manipulation. That's all they've got.

"It's a lot harder when you have to walk past the sad little bundles of flowers and tear-stained unread letters every day enroute to work, and when you cannot help but hear the agonising echoes of desperate voices praying for politicians to listen"

Like this manipulative, ghoulish prose, for example.

From the link posted by @ArabellaScott

•   <strong>*Young people are more susceptible to suicide contagion.</strong> When covering the death of a young person, do not give undue prominence to the story or repeat the use of photographs, including galleries. Don&rsquo;t use emotive, romanticised language or images &ndash; a sensitive, factual approach is much safer. Coverage that reflects the wider issues around suicide, including that it is preventable, can help reduce the risk of suicidal behaviour. Include clear and direct references to resources and support organisations Read our guidance for covering suicides by young people <a class="break-all" href="https://www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/guidance-covering-youth-suicides-clusters-and-self-harm/guidance-reporting-youth-suicides/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>e*.
  

Oh for goodness sake. We are talking about pre-pubescent children, most of whom desist post puberty.

What kind of person are you to say that they should be medicated rather than have their mental health issues treated?

Many of these children are autistic girls like my daughter. The harms to female children are horrific but I don't suppose you care too much about that?

Honestly Butterfly you've got a nerve to come on here to tell us that we need our autistic daughters made infertile and mutilated rather than receive appropriate mental health care.

The future options of kids are being removed by not allowing them to develop naturally and go through appropriate puberty, not the 'mengelesque' treatment you propose. The hippocratic oath is first do no harm. Any reasonable doctor would now refuse to be involved after the Cass Review.

You have repeatedly lied Butterfly. You claim that there are studies showing how excellent puberty blockers are. I asked for links four days ago. No studies have been forthcoming. Because there aren't any. We all know that here, but you are trying to push fake news.

Thankfully the people with the power are listening to the scientific facts rather than all the emoting.

Summary of conclusions
The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.
The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.
There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.
We need to ensure high quality data in which everyone has confidence, as the basis of improved safety for this at risk group of young people

This is the summary from Prof Applebys review of suicides and gender dysphoria at the Tavistock

and Prof Appleby's own roadmap statement has mentioned the need to downplay the link in upcoming releases

Because suicide is known to be something that can lead to copycat behaviour, and has been shown to be influenced by online sources and reporting.

Read the Samaritans guidelines.

Strange that Streeting's most recent announcement mentioned targeted mental health support resources for those who have had their future options removed, and Prof Appleby's own roadmap statement has mentioned the need to downplay the link in upcoming releases.

Why would they need to do this if there is no increased risk? Rather odd behaviour isn't it?

If it were proven that there's no link, why would they be running damage control on something that doesn't exist? Why would they be rushing to discredit the next stats release? Why would they have p-hacked the previous dataset?

It rings particularly hollow when you personally know - and knew - people affected by the reality of this grotesque ongoing culture war.

As with all such matters, it's easier to pretend and turn a blind eye when you are talking in broad hypotheticals. It's a lot harder when you have to walk past the sad little bundles of flowers and tear-stained unread letters every day enroute to work, and when you cannot help but hear the agonising echoes of desperate voices praying for politicians to listen.

Affinity seem to be an up and coming union?
The Free Speech Union have a good track record of intervening to protect rights?

There are a number of links to alternatives in this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5074101-i-need-a-new-union

So are you just going to carry on posting and pretend you didn't just blatantly lie about knowing young people whose deaths have been hidden from stats for nefarious transphobic purposes?

... and, in addition, explaining why you don't seem to have any concerns about the safety and risk implications to* *yourself and others, given that these medications haven't been properly assessed over the long term? Mystifying.

So are you just going to carry on posting and pretend you didn't just blatantly lie about knowing young people whose deaths have been hidden from stats for nefarious transphobic purposes? Illuminating.

I have a real problem now. My union is PCS and their 'Proud' section is up in arms about this.

PCS is very pro trans etc, and I am getting very pissed off. But unsure what I can do.

As a "cisgender" woman I am in need of a union however they are really alienating me.

Any suggestions?

PCS only union in our company.
Don't want to be union-less.

UK. I was forced to wait until 16. I got very lucky though - I started puberty late and saw some resistance to the changes which had been commented on at the time by staff at the clinics (I later found this had a couple of hereditary genetic variations behind it when I got myself tested)

Because it's so important, here's the link for the Samaritans about responsible reporting of suicide by the Media. Although posters on here are not "the media" as an online forum aimed at parents and making parents' lives easier, we shouldn't allow reckless statements about child suicide to go unchallenged.

www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/10-top-tips-reporting-suicide/

I've asked you before how old you were when you obtained puberty blockers Butterfly and are you in the UK?

And this has nothing to do with adults lying to children that they will want to commit suicide if they are not prescribed them.

I can assure you that I did need anyone to tell me how I was feeling when I pursued this treatment in my own childhood.

Such a strange argument to claim that acknowledging the symptoms we ourselves describe is what causes them.

Retract that, or anyone reading this thread will know you're a liar. Every under 18 who dies in the uk is recorded and their death goes to the panel, even when their death was completely expected eg they had a terminal illness. No deaths of under 18s have been excluded from stats. That is categorically untrue.

I've heard the same claim about murders of trans people being covered up/deliberately excluded from the stats.

Like, how is that even possible?

Yet the Secretary of State who confirmed that all deaths of Under 18s are formally reviewed by the system I mentioned upthread at 11.57 and stated that their are no cases. Please cite your evidence for your dangerous claim that the suicide of children is being deliberately covered up.

The Samaritan's have clear guidelines on the responsible reporting of suicide. They highlight that poor practice can cause further loss of life, especially in more vulnerable groups such as the young and people with mental health problems.

In particular they note that:
"Speculation about the ‘trigger’ or cause of a suicide can oversimplify the issue and should be avoided. Suicide is extremely complex and most of the time there is no single event or factor that leads someone to take their own life".
and:
"Young people are more susceptible to suicide contagion"

To repeatedly weaponise the suicide of children is as low as anyone can go and posters will quite rightly call you out every time you use this tactic.

If you tell vulnerable young people that they will want to commit suicide if they can't access puberty blockers then it's on you if they go on to do it.

I don't blame the lack of puberty blockers. I blame the adults who are feeding terrible lies to vulnerable YP.

The whole thing is grim. Thank goodness for Wes Streeting and I do think there now should be a specific offence committed if YP are fed the line that these drugs are necessary for suicide prevention.

It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats.

I don't see how they can have been excluded? Can you say some more about that?

I cannot even begin to comprehend the frame of mind that must be required to actively work to obfuscate and downplay the significance of any of these completely avoidable, awful tragedies.

I don't see that happening on this thread, do you mean in your local community?

Thank you for answering. There are a couple of points here I'm trying to get my head around. The DHSC states Licensing of medicines requires a robust assessment of safety and effectiveness data. These medications have not undergone that process, which means the safety and risk implications for use with gender dysphoria have not been assessed.

Aren't you concerned about the safety and risk implications to yourself given that these medications haven't been properly assessed over the long term?

Aren't you concerned about the safety and risk implications to young people given that these medications haven't been properly assessed over the long term? Even if you don't mind being a kind of trial case yourself, so to speak, why is it a good idea for other people to be subjected to that?

You say you have "check-ups" but that doesn't sound like you're part of a proper structured study on the benefits/harms of this medication?

Science and understanding has moved on in 20+ years, isn't that a good thing for future generations?

healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2024/12/11/puberty-blockers-what-you-need-to-know/

It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats.

More lies 🙄

I knew several of these young people. We had a devastating death in the local community quite recently whose impact is still being keenly felt. It's recently been confirmed that at least some of these deaths were actively excluded from the stats.

I cannot even begin to comprehend the frame of mind that must be required to actively work to obfuscate and downplay the significance of any of these completely avoidable, awful tragedies. Just heartbreaking and horrifying.