Is this going to open a floodgate - weight loss jabs for unemployed

I only heard about this on the news bulletin this morning.

I feel very wary about it.

Vaping was eagerly latched on by the NHS as the miracle, and cheap option, that was going to put a stop to people smoking. Virtually all the other methods of helping people quit smoking were abandoned. And look how that's turned out: so many children and teenagers sucked into smoking. So many adults who never smoked now vaping. And the adverse affects of vaping on health only now becoming known.

So I'm very wary of the government adopting this quick fix to obesity and weight problems:
I wonder how much research has been done on the use of these drugs in this way and what might be revealed at a later date.
And how will the scheme be " policed" seeing as it requires a moderation in life style from.the recipients of the drugs.

I also feel distaste that the scheme, as I heard it, is being presented as a benefit to the government as ultimately saving money saving them money rather than out of concern for people's health.

I see - then no I don’t think the assumption should be that someone who has lost weight has “cheated” or even if they have used medicine to assist I don’t see this as cheating. It is a tool.

I have never objected to its use - I just said I could to - an extent- understand people’s mindset as it doesn’t address the root cause. That can be hormonal imbalances, societal issues, mental or physical health isssues …list is endless.

I also actually don’t think people should necessarily “congratulate” people recovering from depression no. For a start there is often no “root cause” to address.

It’s a medical condition that medicine and therapy has worked for. Yes some input is often required - like with physio for example.

But no wellness/recovery from depression is not necessarily an achievement upon the individual. It is an illness and should be treated as such. I say not necessarily as, like most things, there will be variation between individuals - some may have to put in more effort with therapy for example.

This is from someone who has been on antidepressants since the age of 12. When the dose was finally correct and I had the right kind of therapy I am well. This is not an achievement of mine - it is proper medical treatment that I needed.

Im not sure its currently clear what exactly the scheme is to be honest, perhaps I havent read it properly but there is contradiction

For me, even if no one goes back to work the number of comorbidities weight loss can reverse or prevent is worth it for the effect on society and the NHS, thats what they will also be measuring no doubt

I'm struggling to understand how someone with an internet connected device cannot spend a whole 2 minutes to do some very basic level reading into the links between obesity and poverty.

It would be a better policy if these jabs were offered across the board and the eligibility criteria widened. That would save the nhs far more and therefore the government would be making more savings than just targeting the out of work and benefits

That’s all very well, but it’s in the Guardian.

You want the government to ban eating on buses and trains or while walking down the street? This is patently unworkable, and nobody would vote for any government who tried to do it.

This forum is flooded with posts about these jabs
Because there's a board for people to do just that. Isn't that how it works?

including lots about how to get around the controls by lying about BMIs etc.
Hyperbole. Show us the flood of posts doing this. There are some unscrupulous people, yes, inckydinf those who don't even take the meds but you're over-egging the pudding there and giving misleading information with your post.

Kebabs aren't particularly fattening or unhealthy. This is a myth.

Crap food is a lot cheaper than healthy food actually if you’re going for volume

The weight may not be the barrier to employment ? There cause of the weight gain will be whether that’s an underlying medical issue or psychological. Having a BMI within normal limits is not going to magically make some people instantly employable and/or able to work

I'm curious to know how people who do not work have enough money to maintain obesity? Obvious,y getting too many benefits.

Sounds good to me and I'm a fat employed person.

Whether we like it or not, a lot of people are out of work for weight related health issues. Getting people back into work benefits all of society.

You havent touched any nerves dont be ridiculous, You've been called out on your own faux concern and now trying to make it about you

You are talking rubbish like many on here, carry on though do.

I actually think treating someone so they can work is a good thing.It’s easy to see how job loss, cheap calorific food , possible depression leads to obesity and getting stuck in a rut. It’s not going to be mandatory. Yes weight loss drugs have risks but so does obesity. It’s up to the patient to make an informed decision surely?

You missed my point.

My point was that virtually all celebrities or every day people on SM who have lost a lot of weight are met with sneering comments about 'ozempic', So instead of congratulating someone on their weight loss, the automatic response is that person must have used weight-loss injections and that is seen by many as 'cheating', hence the sneering.

Do you also object to anti-depressants or medications used to treat addictions? Do you think they're 'cheating' and aren't tackling the root cause of the depression/addiction? Or do you see them differently?

Oh if only we could opt out of our taxes paying for anything we don't like. Now that "would open a floodgate..."

Can you imagine people opting out of paying for something you find important and useful because they don't? That would be wonderful.

I mean if only 20% of a cohort manages to lose weight, keep most of it off and get a job society is quids in isn’t it. The average person unemployed person apparently costs 12k a year, now add healthcare costs. I’m happy for someone to be given £150 a month to help them if in the long term those other costs disappear.

It’s also just general wellbeing isn’t it. If people are healthier and happier in the long term then I think thats great. Shaming hasn’t worked, if it did no-one would be overweight. If it were easy no-one would be overweight. I prefer looking at whether something works or not rather than judging.

I thought government spin. Turns out to have been media spin. Specifically the Telegraph being the sort of tripe it isn’t worth reading.

At no point in his original article did Streeting actually mention giving the injections specifically to the unemployed as part of a trial. Or at all. It was the Telegraph that wrote their own article on the piece he had written and headlined it with ‘unemployed to be given weight loss drugs’. Presumably to appeal to their readers.

What is your line of work?

I agree and you'll see that portion control is something I suggested as well, the reality is, unpleasant reality is that we really do just need to eat less

Stop making it socially acceptable to eat on the move, buses, trains, walking down the street, millions of chickens shops near kids schools, massive portions in restaurants, plates overflowing with food. Its conditioning, enjoyable but conditioning.

If you have the right hormonal make up, you can portion control yourself, but a mixture of no off switch for many people (Im one), foods that make you crave more food, the socialability of it, the stress of life, means we all eat far too much

Anything that can support a person eat what they should eat, is to be celebrated, if the first step is medication, so be it

And Ive said on a million threads, food manufacturers and supermarkets wont like it if we all eat what we're meant to eat, they want us to overbuy and over eat, its their business model remember.

I’m guessing that it doesn’t deal with the underlying cause of the obesity. So when you stop taking them you go back to square one? (I’m for the jabs btw; but I do see this as an issue)

Care to share those concerns?

These drugs have been in use for so long

@Frankensteinian there is a whole topic
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/weight-loss-injections

Find an anti-VAT on school fees thread, turn right, then left, go past the MIL and OLD threads and they’ll all be in front of you.