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To go nc with Dsis over private school ?

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Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 09:50

For background: my older Dsis is a teacher (or was because she's working in another field now) and is against private schools. She has worked in ONE private school for three years and is an expert (according to herself) of how things are done in all schools whether private or not. She has got one DD who went in to the local secondary y7. My DS went in to private school y7 (they're the same age). Ever since she has not stopped with her comments on private schools. According to her they give out good grades because the parents are paying for it. The school we chose is not expensive compared to most and they have a waiting list and only take in children who are already "good students" just like grammar school so I told Dsis that maybe that's why the students got good grades. She would not hear about it. She keeps on praising her DD's school even though staff turnover is high and it's clear that my DS's school is better (pastoral, dedicated staff, well-mannered children etc). I don't tell her that, I just nod, smile and say I'm happy you're happy and leave it at that. She's not jealous; DStepM helped us out with the fees and said she would help Dsis too if she wanted it. Every single time we talk she has to put DS's school down. She has the decency to be subtle about it infront of DS but she still has to say something. I asked her to not be so negative about something she knows nothing about. My DS is highly sensitive and quite fragile and he would be a likely target for bullying in Dsis' DD's school. He is very happy about his school and I wish that she could just leave it.

I'm not exaggerating: every single time I see her she just has to make a snide remark. It's like she's mad at me for not making the same choices as she is. It's gotten to a point where I want to go nc with her because she always makes me so upset and I feel so defensive around her just waiting for her "remark of the day". So AIBU to go nc with her until she has accepted to stop putting down DS's school ?

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Mabs49 · 16/09/2024 14:12

I see the dynamic OP.

If she's always been more intelligent than you - or at least posited that idea in your head she's worried your DS is getting a 'better' education and will turn out brighter and with better grades than her DD, making her feel inferior to you for the first time in her life and this area appears to be important to her.

it sounds like her ego and identity are very much tied to her image of being 'clever' and she can't let it go for that reason because her DD is her by extension. She's worried her 'value' to herself and the outside world will slide because possibly your DS will do better. (No guarantee of this of course. Plenty of state school kids do very well and work their arses off in difficult conditions and her DD could be one of these. Likewise there are plenty of private schools that don't get great results at all!)

What do you have in your relationship that you are better at?

Sometimes these things are balanced until an divergence like this comes along and unsettles it all.

She may also think in some unarticulated way that you have undermined her by choosing private because it sounds like she mostly teaches in state school. So by sending private you're saying her job/her whole identity isn't good enough. Ouch. That's a core human truth we all feel - not good enough.

Has she watched this documentary

it sort of shows all sides. For the right person, private school is brilliant. For those that don't need any sort of leg up in life, like the young lady who became a doctor going to Cambridge, she was focused from the start and achieved her dreams anyway.

This may polarise her more watching this.

I'd start to big up state education, her DD, saying you think it's a wonderful school, it's a great place to send her DD, that you've only chosen private because your DS is a bit sensitive and may even have special needs or something l like that.

if you read "the power of now workbook" by Eckhart Tolle it really reveals how many of us act angry and threatened when our status and external image feel threatened. Ego death.

This is what's happening to your Dsis. You need to reassure her that you still think she's amazing and wonderful and clever and intelligent and her DD will do amazing at her state school (because she almost certainly will!) and try to reassure her that you love her.

This is a very 'evolved' way of looking at things. Most people will just have a huge argument and never speak again.

Good luck with the journey of growth!

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Nanny0gg · 16/09/2024 14:06

SonjaBarkerFinch · 16/09/2024 10:58

How many schools have you worked in?

What's that got to do with anything?

This is parental choice not professional

SerafinasGoose · 16/09/2024 13:59

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 10:53

True. It does seem overly dramatic but when I have told her several times I do not want to discuss it and and yet she just can't leave it. I feel that I will explode next time that's why I wanted to go nc for a while until she respects my boundaries.

NC is the nuclear option. It frequently tends to be a permanent solution and you need to be mindful that if you go down this track there might be no coming back.

If you go NC then be absolutely certain this is what you want. A bee in her bonnet about schools - even if it does buzz way too loudly and too often - doesn't necessitate the extremity of complete estrangement, however temporary. That is, not without some far more serious reason or underlying pattern.

Sis is clearly uncomfortable with her own decisions and is seeking to validate them by undermining yours. And she's going about it in a very annoying way and this behaviour is turning her into a repetitive and extremely tedious pain in the arse. I don't think I would baulk at telling her so.

godmum56 · 16/09/2024 13:59

I'd say (publicly) "Hello Sis, shall we get the (snotty) private school comment over now and get it out of the way?

Heronwatcher · 16/09/2024 13:54

In state school he would have been severely bullied

You know that for a fact do you? Would it surprise you to know that lots of kids have a tough time in state school and teachers/ pupils are very understanding. Equally in many private schools bullying remains a massive issue.

Honestly this massive prejudice against all state schools is really wrong- and if this is the sort of nonsense you come out with or frankly even genuinely believe I’m not surprised your DSis feels she has to keep correcting you. It’s like you’ve judged every state school based on Grange Hill c1991.

VimtoVimto · 16/09/2024 13:54

I think after just over a week it’s hard to tell which school is better.

Glittertwins · 16/09/2024 13:53

I'm going from my own conversations with friends on this and maybe I wasn't clear enough / I meant iGCSE which is rumoured to be easier and not offered by state schools here.

JudgeJ · 16/09/2024 13:50

ChampaignSupernova · 16/09/2024 13:44

Before you go no contact you should confront her without so much diplomacy. When she makes the inevitable comment just respond "DSIS everytime I see you we have the same discussion and it's getting tiresome. You made your daughters school choice and I have made my sons and I would appreciate it if you kept your criticism of it to yourself. I don't want to discuss the school any more and I don't want you criticising the choice to my son. He is happy there and that is what matters"

And that's 'without diplomacy'?? Much better 'Look keep you neb out of what doesn't concern you, green isn't your best colour'.

JudgeJ · 16/09/2024 13:47

Glittertwins · 16/09/2024 11:47

Seems a bit petty and an over the top reaction. I don't think private schools should be allowed and certainly not opt into different GCSE boards that are (albeit rumoured) to have more lenient grade boundaries however it's up to others how they wish to spend their money. Envy gets us nowhere.

Picking the best exam board isn't limited to private schools, all schools do it and always have, even in the old 'O' levels when NUJMB was always known to be the hardest! Sorry of that doesn't play into the private school rhetoric on here.

JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:44

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:41

It was a rough first week since he didn't know anyone. Happily the staff and schoolmates were amazing: they all comforted him and nobody made fun of him for crying. In state school he would have been severely bullied. Second week he went in with a smile and said he's so lucky to be in such a nice school. 🥰

What worries me (given that all schools have bullies), is that if he does get bullied, you won't believe him because you seem hell bent on convincing yourself it wouldn't happen in this school.

I wouldn't cut your sister off because she might be the one he needs to go to, if he has any school problems.

ChampaignSupernova · 16/09/2024 13:44

Before you go no contact you should confront her without so much diplomacy. When she makes the inevitable comment just respond "DSIS everytime I see you we have the same discussion and it's getting tiresome. You made your daughters school choice and I have made my sons and I would appreciate it if you kept your criticism of it to yourself. I don't want to discuss the school any more and I don't want you criticising the choice to my son. He is happy there and that is what matters"

JudgeJ · 16/09/2024 13:44

She is entitled to an opinion although constantly voicing it would wind me up too.

As I used to say to my mother she is entitled to her opinion on anything but she no reason to expect her opinion to be of any value!

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:41

kittensinthekitchen · 16/09/2024 13:22

Is this wonderful private school the same school that's making your son miserable?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/5161386-school-phobia-secondary-school

Sounds amazing

It was a rough first week since he didn't know anyone. Happily the staff and schoolmates were amazing: they all comforted him and nobody made fun of him for crying. In state school he would have been severely bullied. Second week he went in with a smile and said he's so lucky to be in such a nice school. 🥰

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notanotherusername2024 · 16/09/2024 13:41

Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:09

Well she had really. That’s exactly what going NC “just until” her sister does what she wants effectively amounts to. It’s using NC as a manipulative tool.

Nope, it's just removing yourself from a bullying scold who harasses you every time you see them.

Everyone has the right not to spend time with a bullying scold.

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:37

I think I have misunderstood the concept of nc. I meant it as taking a "timeout", not seeing her for a while. Obviously I would not block her forever! I mean the children won't be in school forever so the conflict will die out. But maybe then my DS will choose to study something of which she doesn't approve 😅

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Calliopespa · 16/09/2024 13:35

Mirabai · 16/09/2024 13:30

You’ve basically asked a forum full of DSISes.. 😆

Edited

I disagree with Dsis viewpoint and behaviour. I just don’t think you go NC because you disagree on an ultimately limited and relatively unimportant issue.

JacquelineShit · 16/09/2024 13:35

kittensinthekitchen · 16/09/2024 13:22

Is this wonderful private school the same school that's making your son miserable?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/5161386-school-phobia-secondary-school

Sounds amazing

Interesting.

Perhaps the OP's DS has opened up to his aunt about his feelings, but feels he can't open up to the OP as she won't hear a bad word against the school?

Food for thought.

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:33

Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 13:25

But if she chooses not to send her dd to private school she doesn’t get the same chunk of money you do?

I’d never treat my kids that way.

The thing is nobody gets "a chunk of money". She said she's willing to help us out with secondary school because it's a stage where children become teens and it can be quite hard being in a hostile environment. My Dsis was bullied in state school but she must have forgotten. I'm not saying all state schools are bad but the year 6 in state elementary where my DC was bad enough and all those students are going to state so he would be with them. Children as young as 10 who said "I will f%^^ your mum" , talking about subscriptions to pornhub, touching others. The teacher had to spend two hours on consentment training. My dsm read some of the communication sent out from school when picking up DS which prompted her to suggest private school.

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Gremlins101 · 16/09/2024 13:32

Sounds like overall you need to be a bit more assertive in the relationship with your sister.

It's unreasonable to go no contact. Just tell her you are done discussing it, as it's petty.

Mirabai · 16/09/2024 13:30

You’ve basically asked a forum full of DSISes.. 😆

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:26

Teaandorangeschina · 16/09/2024 13:16

Haven't read the whole thread but your sister's suggestion that private schools 'give out good grades because the parents are paying for it' is utterly ridiculous. That's not how public exams work! I'm not sure examiners even know what school kids attend when they mark papers - even if they do, it wouldn't make any difference to the results. GCSE and A-level grade boundaries don't have anything to do with school fees - that's actually a mad thing to say.

She knows this because she's also said my son's school is putting too much pressure on the children to get good grades. I think that depends on the child as well. Some learn quicker than others. My Dsis had better grades than me but I worked harder for mine (spent more time on homework). My DS is like my sister so I think he'll be allright. He likes to learn and he seems to be in a good calm environment for it. It's not fair. All children's should be granted a good learning environment but I'm not going to sacrifice my DS over principles when we had the offer from Dsm to help us out with the fees.

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Howmanyusernames123 · 16/09/2024 13:25

Maria1979 · 16/09/2024 13:19

Dsm is helping us out and has said she's happy to help Dsis out.

But if she chooses not to send her dd to private school she doesn’t get the same chunk of money you do?

I’d never treat my kids that way.

Ariela · 16/09/2024 13:24

Just simply change the topic - I do this with one of my brothers who is super fit and drones on about fitness and how I ought to do more exercise etc, even though I'm not very fat and am relatively fit compared to many, but sadly lacking in the 6ft+ genes of most of the rest of the family. Every time he changes the subject to 'fitness' and the comment comes, I reply with 'I hear the weather is being nice/sunny/foul/unusually wet/snow in Boston at the moment' (relevant as our mother went once and loved Boston, and talked about the trip for months ). Has taken 2 years but he has learnt to not mention I ought to do more exercise.

Onelifeonly · 16/09/2024 13:20

Just have a phrase you repeat every time she mentions your DS' school. E.g. I don't wish to discuss this. Or simply change the subject. Stay calm.

If you stop responding, she'll eventually get the message.