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Lovelyview · 2024-08-29T16:26:16+00:00

[[https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis]] This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:48

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:47

Still waiting on that scientific proof @ElleWoods15 ...

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Still waiting on an apology for calling anyone that doesn’t share your GC views ‘dense’.

But I’m giving up on that and going to bed.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 29/08/2024 21:48

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:14

Sorry, I’m not sure one what planet you think your previous post was ‘technically accurate’. It was (and was clearly designed to be) simply offensive.

In MN parlance, give your head a wobble.

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It was a technically accurate term. Here’s another. Autogynephilia. Sorry you’re offended by technical accuracy. I’m
offended by males in women’s spaces. So there you go

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4726257-nick-timothy-in-the-telegraph-on-the-grr?page=1

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Still waiting on that scientific proof @ElleWoods15 ...

iamtheblcksheep · 29/08/2024 21:46

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Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/08/2024 21:46

I boycott any organisation who falls on the pork sword of trans ideology.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/08/2024 21:44

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:39

What, the noisy GC lobby on MN?

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Reality deniers.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:43

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:41

We have progress. @GailBlancheViola at least accepts that once someone has a GRC, they have legally changed sex.

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So if something is legal that makes it complete facts and right?

Molone · 29/08/2024 21:42

I’ve worked in retail all my adult life and never had separate toilets.

Discontentedpony · 29/08/2024 21:42

parkrun500club · 29/08/2024 17:55

No, just pets. My colleague took her dog to see Father Christmas last year (she does have a toddler too :) but couldn't find anyone to look after the dog. So instead of her partner waiting outside with the dog/taking it to one of the many parks in London they took it into the shop).

I am with the pp - dogs do not belong in department stores.

And male bodied people do not belong in toilets for female bodied people. JL shops are big enough to have a few unisex toilets and changing rooms.

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Re dogs in shops and other public spaces, I work in a major tourist attraction and if visitors are questioned about having their dog with them, they just claim it's a therapy dog and there's nothing we can do about it. The PR nightmare around telling someone they can't enter with their therapy dog is too risky and people know they can flout the rules in this way so there's nothing to be done about it unless new rules state the dogs must have a special therapy lead or coat identifying them as such. People can obviously still just buy these things but it would help somewhat with the people who take advantage of the system.

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Lovelyview · 29/08/2024 21:41

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

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Male and female are biological terms and sex is binary. That you can't change sex is a fact. However, people who identify as trans believe you can have a different gender from your birth sex. Hence the word trans meaning changing from one to another. I agree there are a lot of people who believe that people can change gender. I do not believe that but I understand some people do. However, a person's sex is relevant in certain situations one of which is preservation of single sex spaces.

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ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:41

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:39

The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

Transwomen are male, that is a scientific, biological and legal fact. Only males can be transwomen.

We have progress. @GailBlancheViola at least accepts that once someone has a GRC, they have legally changed sex.

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:39

The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

Transwomen are male, that is a scientific, biological and legal fact. Only males can be transwomen.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:39

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:37

Yep you win, I’m not as intelligent as you. That must be it, it’s clearly impossible for you to just recognise that this is not an issue for me. Possibly, I do not mind sharing spaces with trans women as I do not feel they are all sexual predators, I am not concerned for my safety on this circumstance. I believe women’s rights are not being eroded - I say this by stating it’s also by no means perfect.

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It's absolutely fine that it's not an issue for you. But it IS an issue for many women. Losing the right to single sex spaces IS an erosion of women's rights. If you don't care and want to share with blokes that's up to you, but other women have a right to be safe.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:39

DdraigGoch · 29/08/2024 21:36

No retailer has a god-given right to exist. If they want to survive they've got to treat their customers and staff with respect rather than pandering to a noisy minority on social media.

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What, the noisy GC lobby on MN?

FOJN · 29/08/2024 21:39

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

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If transwomen aren't male then they must be female. If they are female then how are they transwomen?

There are only two sexes, that is not opinion, it is a very well established fact.

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:38

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:37

Yep you win, I’m not as intelligent as you. That must be it, it’s clearly impossible for you to just recognise that this is not an issue for me. Possibly, I do not mind sharing spaces with trans women as I do not feel they are all sexual predators, I am not concerned for my safety on this circumstance. I believe women’s rights are not being eroded - I say this by stating it’s also by no means perfect.

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At least you’re not dense like me @Kath85 😂

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:38

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:35

Because I disagree with you then… And you’ve decided you repeat the insult. Nice.

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I can disagree with you that 2+2 = 4. It wouldn't make me right though. It WOULD make me look silly.

Kath85 · 29/08/2024 21:37

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:29

Are you unable to connect the suffragettes and the birth of feminism with the current erosion of women's rights?

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Yep you win, I’m not as intelligent as you. That must be it, it’s clearly impossible for you to just recognise that this is not an issue for me. Possibly, I do not mind sharing spaces with trans women as I do not feel they are all sexual predators, I am not concerned for my safety on this circumstance. I believe women’s rights are not being eroded - I say this by stating it’s also by no means perfect.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 29/08/2024 21:36

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

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Can you point to the scientific papers that prove that transwomen aren't male? Can you explain how one changes their sex? How do they drop the Y chromosome and gain an extra X? How do they shrink their skeleton? Lose muscle mass? Widen their hips? And vice versa obviously for transmen.

DdraigGoch · 29/08/2024 21:36

violetsparkle · 29/08/2024 17:54

Whilst I understand you are upset about this, John Lewis is a major employer and retailer. If they have to close it will be devastating for the retail environment. We've lost debehams. I don't know how long house of Fraser is going to last, bhs - gone.

No retailer has a god-given right to exist. If they want to survive they've got to treat their customers and staff with respect rather than pandering to a noisy minority on social media.

maddening · 29/08/2024 21:35

ElleWoods15 · 29/08/2024 21:34

Yes. The opinion expressed was that transwomen are male. This is something that large numbers of people disagree with. It is an opinion, not a fact. HTH both you and Kendra.

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They are male - they could not be trans women if they weren't

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Because I disagree with you then… And you’ve decided you repeat the insult. Nice.

GailBlancheViola · 29/08/2024 21:35

it relates to the level of hysteria that GC posters on boards like MN are able to create.

Ticks misogynist slur hysteria off bingo card.