To think the world has gone fucking mad

I don't suppose you remember the name of the podcasts? I'd love to listen. I'm 100% behind her, this is all so insane - and honestly outside of X and Mumsnet hardly anybody seems to know about it (trans issues in general, not this case specifically). It's scary.

A actual fucking judge. How can an intelligent judge say this, he can’t believe this he just can’t.
Baffling.

It's so dangerous when a society tries to enshrine a lie into law. It's impossible to change sex. No matter how much you protest, argue or bully - sex is immutable. The fact that so many allegedly intelligent and powerful people have bought into this lie is terrifying - especially for the future of our daughters.

Appalling

He may've won his case but he's still not going to get any dates with lesbians, is he.

It's so disappointing and absolutely blows my mind that an actual judge can come to this conclusion. Scary times ahead in Aus

Yes op the world has gone mad!

How has this been though a court?! One entitled male wants to access a women’s only space and has been legally allowed!! If he was a real woman he’d not act so entitled and wouldn’t want to make other people (women) feel so uncomfortable. Just would not happen.

Why oh why is always us that must accommodate and pander to men 😭

Oh FFS Australia!

An here I was, thinking judges had to be of reasonably average intelligence.

Yes, she did a 180 and has talked in depth about why her views changed on various podcasts. I like her.

It is very concerning.

Yeah - Tickle versus Giggle. The name is as barmy as the case

Any man that changes sex needs to get to a GP immediately for medical investigation!

Ms PillowfightsWhatFun! clearly doesn’t belong in women’s spaces as evidenced by his determination to get in them.

I followed the trial and am not surprised by the verdict. Sickened, but not surprised. What's happening in Australia is terrifying.

I honestly fear for my daughter and granddaughters' future, the way things are going. It's Orwellian.

It's very upsetting news and I'm disgusted that we've reached this point. Sall is an amazing woman and if it's possible to appeal this decision then I really hope she does.

What a bloody joke. Really thought common sense would prevail on this one.

Do not underestimate how much men (as a sex class) despise women (as a sex class) and want to see us subordinate in every single way possible. Our world made small, our rights eviscerated, our safety, comfort, and freedoms doled out in tiny parcels, at the whim of the men who seek to own us.

Do. Not. Underestimate. Them.

What a load of absolute nonsense. Sex is immutable. You can't suddenly grow a pair of ovaries or mammaries or testicles or a functioning penis just because you feel like it.

Gender is mutable because it is a social construct. Gender can be fluid and non-binary. Sex can't.

But biological women have always been controlled by biological men and deserve the right and the respect to create discrete spaces away from biological men without being bullied by biological men into having these boundaries removed for the gratification of men.

If I were them I'd close down, set up again as a private invitation only site and charge uninvited self-referrals...I dunno...five thousand pounds?... to join. Whatever the cost of their payment to him was.

I’m really confused now. If Giggle is for women only then what is this thread all about? Did she do an about-face at some point?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3982978-Giggle-app-for-girls-only

Exactly. I have shorter hair than Roxy and don't wear make-up. Does this mean I'm not a woman, despite, you know, having ovaries, a uterus and vagina?! Oh and having suffered systemic discrimination since the day I was born...

It is actually terrifying.

There is not a single space where women are safe from mentally ill men.

You can't even be a lesbian these days without being called a bigot for not wanting to have sex with a man who says he is a woman.

They are entitled and outraged that we nay have something that isn't centred around them and our sick patriarchal society is validating their delusions.

Just another example of no one caring about or protecting women

I really don’t understand why some Professors of Biology (or whatever their professional titles would be in Australia), don’t sit down with judges, lawyers, politicians etc and explain, in simple biological terms, what SEX is. With diagrams. And how the reproductive system works! Explain how men and women are identified when they are born. Did these people not have biology lessons at school?

Then explain GENDER IDENTITY is…

Is it really that difficult?!

YANBU. Black is indeed white. Imagine if a woman wanted to join a man's space. She'd just be ejected and that would be that. As soon as it's women's freedoms being eroded, the system is all for it!

The owner of the platform has said she will appeal. Fingers crossed for someone sensible in the High Court/Supreme Court eventually.

The very fact that Roxy wanted to join the platform despite KNOWING that it would destroy the whole purpose of it and ruin the experience for bio women shows that she's not a woman - just a standard, entitled man who LOVES making women feel threatened and uncomfortable. Ridiculous!

Yes, that was the whole point of the site, that it was a safe space for women. Safe from men.

If that TW really believes they are a woman, they would know how it important that was for women.

Are there any similar apps for TW? Can you imagine if non-TW were to go in there and tell them what's what - or even worse, sit and watch as they discuss their feelings?