Jay Slaters mum asking for more donations

Thats not what I asked though. You objected to Jay's family and friends saying positive things about him. I asked what you'd preferred them to have said? The media have been all over everyone with the most tenous connection to him. What should these people have said about him that wouldn't in your opinion have misrepresented him? Because all I've seen is that he was 'well liked', cheerful, had many friends and was succeeding in his job. No one seems to have suggested he was a saint.

I don't believe he deserved to die and, of course, his family must be beside themselves with grief but I object to wanting more and more money especially without saying what they intend to use it for.

A funeral doesn't cost anywhere near £67,000 and neither does getting his body back home. A big showy funeral could cost as much as they want it to but, if that is what they want, they should not expect other people to pay for it.

Surely whatever you think of JS you don't begrudge a 19 year old lad the grief of his friends and family

Not at all, and I said as much in the previous post

... and their attempt to share some of the positive aspects of his life

Again it's not my place to tell the friends and family how they must behave, but for those in possession of the bigger picture it might be better to avoid too much insistence on this subject in case it invites more revelations

So what is the preferred behaviour in these circumstances then? A serise of statements from Jay's family and friends to say "Ah well. It's a shame, but he wasn't the best was he? Bit of a bother to us all his life if we're honest so yeah, we're not over the moon but worse things happen..." Surely whatever you think of JS you don't begrudge a 19 year old lad the grief of his friends and family, and their attempt to share some of the positive aspects of his life.

Well no, but then looking at many of those he chose to associate with that's not really likely is it?

As I said, it's not just his friends and family.

His boss has posted videos and comments describing him as a person, how valued a team member he was and, as I've mentioned, had awarded him Apprentice of the Year.

It's not just those he "chose" to associate with.

Nope, if he came from a "socially approved minority" whatever the fuck that is, his disappearance wouldn't have even made the news.

Starjumpfifty, birds of a feather....

Not one person who knew him personally has described him as a vicious thug

Well no, but then looking at many of those he chose to associate with that's not really likely is it?

I wouldn't dream of suggesting he somehow "deserved to die" or that it's anything but a tragedy for his loved ones, but the attempts to pretend he was a lovely lad who just got into a bit of a mess are a bit much in the circumstances - especially for anyone who knows anything of his family background

I agree with you. There are only a few of us on these chats who defend him or his family.
As for laughing in court - yes it's despicable but they were a bunch of teenage lads aged 15/16, probably very nervous, almost certainly trying to look tough. A lot of bravado there probably hiding their real feelings.
No reports of Jay being involved in violent incidents before or after this attack. He had lots of friends and was well liked - I find it quite unpleasant to dismiss a recently deceased teenager as a vicious thug. It's dehumanising to reduce his entire character to one incident, where he was a bystander.
He died alone, frightened aged 19. People should have some compassion.

It's just not his friends and family saying it, his boss and workmates say the same. I don't think anybody has called him an "angel", but certainly nothing like the "vicious thug" he's been depicted as by strangers on the net.

I just think it's ironic that many of the same people saying he doesn't deserve sympathy are the same people having compassion for the victim of the machete attack - who was, by all standards, a vicious thug.

So many times when someone who has done something bad dies all their friends and family say how lovely they were, such an angel etc.

He was part of the group that attacked a lad and at the Court hearing ALL the defendants laughed while in the dock. Sounds such a lovely guy!

Very sad outcome loosing their son but trying to benefit financially is disgraceful. What exactly does she need more than 60 k for a send off, unless she’s planning on a send off to space / the moon? I have noticed this trend more and more, tragedy hits a family and straight away the appeal for money begins.

Was literally thinking about this

The boy was a criminal, who robbed pregnant women's houses and ended up in jail.

Not one person who knew him personally has described him as a vicious thug. Only people on the internet.

He wasn't involved in the machete attack - he was there while it took place, but was not the attacker.

Those around him describe him as a joy to be around. A hard worker, who had just won Apprentice of the Year in his apprenticeship job.

I've heard his mum has now lost her job, which involved working lunch time hours at a local school, due to the attention to the case. So she will need some money coming in.

I've always questioned the gfm in this case, but she will need the help now and it's in bad taste to continue questioning her under the circumstances.

I think its fair to say that the whole situation has been beset by questionable choices that people from outside the demographic of Jay his friends and family find difficult to justify or have empathy with. I'm guessing that DD is driven by emotion and isn't surrounded by the wisest of advisers.

Tell her to sell the Rolex he stole to pay for it. He and them don’t deserve any more money . Wonder if she could give some of the money to the boy he and his mates beat up then maybe people would feel compassion.

Depends which statement you read. Wonderful support and/or searching for any of Jay's personal items the police might have missed.

More like a skanky sex pond (hot tub).

I'd wager a Captain Tom style spa is more likely.

No, it’s because he had a conviction for GBH and there were rumours he was dealing drugs

The Jay Slater Foundation could help youth offenders, drug dealers and thieves.

I wonder what odds Ladbrokes would offer me on the chance of a Jay Slater Foundation being set up hmm...

Oh really? What on earth for?

That's a bit mad, too, @5128gap. The Dutch search & rescue charity - whose costs will be high - arrived after Tenerife police found Jay's body but have been on the island all week