DD14 school rules+uniform changes?

@Needmorelego thanks - does this actually happen in the UK??? Sorry if I seem obtuse - I live in Scotland and have had teens at three high schools, none of them would dream of having toilets locked.

This is why no uniform is the way to go.

Do you want to wear a blazer? Knock yourself out. Do you want to rip your own arms out every time you put a blazer on? Wear a jumper/hoody/cardi/t-shirt.

@MrsTartanTeacosy sadly almost all English secondary schools restrict the times pupils can go to the toilet and lock them up during lesson time.
It's disgusting.
@stickygotstuck yes maybe schools should just have a selection of items available that you can choose from.
The blazer/tie people can choose that.
The polo/hoodie people can choose that.
The polo with a blazer people could choose that.......and so on.

@Needmorelego , not sure I understand what you mean.
As I said, my preference would be no uniform at all, like it was in my school.

@stickygotstuck oh yes - I'm no uniform all the way too but I meant if they were going to insist on one at least make it a bit mix and match - different clothing items for different preferences and body shapes.

@Needmorelego ah, I see what you mean.
But I guess variety would reach a point where it cannot be considered a uniform.

If schools insist on having one, it should be very vague and general, say, black top, red bottoms, any shoes that are comfortable. Certainly no ties, no restrictions on hair, and as much or little jewelry as you like, as long as it's not during PE or lab work. You know, like normal, everyday life. So, no uniform then! 😁

Whats wrong with trousers?

If you have a member if staff monitoring toilets it's no more of a problem than at break times. And the less kids have to rebel about re uniform the better. Tbh, most teachers don't routinely shout at pupils anyway so that probably won't be much of a change.

DDs primary school went down this route post Covid and it’s been so good.

The HT said that taking away that early morning “that’s not uniform” conflict between teachers and pupils would change the atmosphere for the whole day and she was right. I was skeptical, but I have to credit her with that.

The local high school that DD is started has also done similar and the results look good.

The Secondary school my DDs attend have what looks like strict hair rules... but its actually explained as no high maintenance, expensive styles. (No unnatural colours, no two tone, a minimum length and no shaved patterns really)

Are they not excited because the girls will no longer be able to wear skirts so short you can literally see their bum hanging out the back?

Pens leak because kids mess around with them Funny that teachers never have exploding Pens.

Our school is U.K. and like this. Wonderful school. Great outcomes.

The uniform sounds like what I wore to school in the 90's. Much more relaxed then blazers and ties etc.

Intrigued to hear how the 'no shouting' will go...surely there are times shouting is essential?

My thoughts exactly.. In order for a school to go to panel to get a formal exclusion or alternative school placement they need to show an increase of consequences due to persistent behaviour from a student(unless it was a one off big incident which isn't common) . If there are no detentions or isolations then do they jumps+ straight to a one day exclusion??? Doesn't seem fair.
Also, my school signed an agreement with other schools in the area where they won't formally permanently exclude. The council arrange for students to be moved to other schools for a fresh start or to alternative placement. So the jump from 20 to 1 permanent exclusions could be that they either let the kids run riot or because they are using alternatives like the schools here do (our schools say it is to try and not prevent a kid having an education). My son hasn't had a permanent exclusion is a decade at least, but we have a broad range of consequences.

These students now have no consequence. Great way to support them growing into responsible young adults and entering a society where there are consequences.

I suspect teachers won't want to work there.

I wouldn't have my kid there.

How is that not a detention?
I get that it’s productive.
But taking away free time and directing the child’s activity = detention.

This!

@Cutecattoes have your kids never told you about all the deliberate pen explosions?