That non-binary/3rd gender is not really a thing?

It's all nonsense. You can't change sex. Fact. At conception male or female.

People are welcome to be what they want imo BUT if you were born a man stay the fuck out of my female space, which includes toilets, female changing rooms etc. The same goes for anyone born a woman, stay out of men’s toilets etc.

I'm a strong believer that it is our insistence on stereotyping people into a neat binary of masculine and feminine that is causing so many issues, especially for some men.

If you prefer to wear the opposite genders clothes, hairstyles etc so what! instead they are made to feel their must be a reason that requires action because of not fitting their gender stereotype. My friend is a "butch" lesbian and she's so fed up that younger gay women are being told they are non binary for being just like her when she says she's all woman.

Can't we just be people with names? Wear what we want, use the name of our choice and respect others? Use facilities of birth sex out of respect though

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand sex (biology) and gender (social construct and a spectrum). There are two sexes. But unlimited ways to express gender identity. But ultimately it’s none of your concern how others chose to live.

Some form of non-binary/other genders have existed across many societies and have been traced all the way back to 2000BC. It is not a new phenomenon, the disgusting Tories have made it a political argument to divide the country and distract from their own failings. Please get away from this moral panic and stop feeding it.

I'd go a step further and say gender isn't a thing, or shouldn't be. There are two biological sexes, and as many personality types as there are people. There's no need for pointless labels that the majority of us don't conform to.

Yeah it’s bullshit.

I'm a strong believer that it is our insistence on stereotyping people into a neat binary of masculine and feminine that is causing so many issues

But it IS binary - there are only 2 biological sexes - male and female!!!

Imo, non binaries are terfs who are in denial.

Like most people, they don't feel like they are the sex they were born as but don't quite get that that is actually how the vast majority feel.

So do you think a man who likes pink, long hair and boy bands is a girl? Because that's the opposite stance to the op.

What’s the Moral Panic in your opinion and how might we separate it from genuine concerns?

Do you genuinely see the concerns that have been raised as absolutely no issue to you, and you are happy to provide trans people whatever they want, no qualms, no questions and criminalizing those that disagree?

YANBU. It seems like the world has come full circle from when I was a child in the early 80s. I remember preferring to play with lego and in the mud and it wasn't enormously scandalous for boys to play with dolls. At work over the weekend, a 14 year old was overly excitedly declaring himself a 'femboy' because he thought wearing a pink t shirt was a massively outlandish statement. A pink shirt was literally the dresscode for 'wealth' for most of the rich boys I was at uni with 20 years ago!

they don't feel like they are the sex they were born

I doubt that anybody 'feels' like their chromosomes?!

Everyone including her knew she was a fabulous woman.

how you’ve got to there from what I said is quite remarkable. What always amazes me about this topic is how no one is actually capable of having a grownup conversation without mudslinging and assumption. Baffling really.

Are you being unreasonable that non-binary is not really a thing?

Too many double negatives I think I've just mis-voted!

That's genuinely how I read your comment. Can you tell me what you meant then? I'm not mudslinging or being not grown up nor assuming, I don't know why you're saying that. Baffling.

It’s all deeply narcissistic, imvho. Tiresome enough, but being forced on everyone with the insistence that we all respect someone’s gender pronouns and tell everyone our own, as if everyone gives a sh**. None of it appears to have benefited anyone’s mental health, as society appears to have become increasingly neurotic.

The thing about men that are quie and really into computer programming, and men that are really noisy and sporty is... they are both as masculine as the other. Sure women can like computer programming, and be good at computer programming. But the stereotype would be a nerdy man (sorry). So its not even as though the socially awkward computer types are further along the masculine>feminine scale. They are often on the extreme end of "masculine". Its just a different type of masculinity. Yet those men/boys are the ones being told they are non-binary/trans. Its crazy

Yeah I think you're right, I missed out that the first cousin also has long hair which people these days seem to view as feminine (tell that to the seventies....) , I didn't explain particularly elegantly but I guess my point is that masculinity is a broad spectrum and wherever you are on it you're still a man , ditto women and femininity, I'm the football fan in our house DH has no interest whatsoever, I also know a fair bit about cars/ mechanics and he prefers a push bike, it's often been commented on but I've never been told I might not be female, maybe if I was growing up today I would.

Of course non-binary isn't real. It's a load of cobblers.

I voted YABU for posting the fifty millionth thread on this when it’s already well known that most mumsnetters are of your view.

It is, of course, nonsense. YANBU.

Everyone is binary with regards to sex.

In terms of how personalities align with gender stereotypes, almost everyone is mixed.

I mean, changing your mind kind of goes both with and against your own argument. You have the right to think feel and believe whatever you like. I don't have to agree with it, I don't even have to like it, if I agree that means only that, I agree, it doesn't mean it's the right or wrong opinion. As long as you don't plan to treat anyone any differently based on differing or opposing views, life choices or beliefs etc, then I have to ask the question, why does it matter what anyone else thinks about you personal opinion on the subject?