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Poltershighclimb99 · 2024-06-23T12:13:19+00:00

So everyone has the right to vote for who they want. It’s a democracy after all. However, dh just informed me that he plans to vote BNP this year. I was stunned into silence. I will admit I do not follow politics in the way others do but from what I’ve heard and read about BNP I feel differently about dh now. I’m looking at him differently and feel a bit ashamed of his decision. what does everyone else think about BNP? Am I missing something? I guess my AIBU would be IABU as BNP are a decent political party and it’s up to him. or IANBU they are homophobic racists who don’t deserve to be a legal party.

MasterBeth · 23/06/2024 14:12

the reality is they have governed over a period of enormous immigration into the UK never seen before that has left many people strangers in their own country.

What a load of racist bollocks.

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:12

Fgfgfg · 23/06/2024 14:12

Tell him he'll struggle to vote BNP because they don't have anyone standing.
However a range of other racist parties are standing. Maybe he's confused and it's one of the other parties.
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/06/12/general-election-far-right-radical-right-candidates-2024/

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Seems most likely reform. A few others have put me right in that one.

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cupcaske123 · 23/06/2024 14:12

StripeyDeckchair · 23/06/2024 14:10

This would be enough to make me end the relationship - they are a nasty group of racist, homophobic, misogynist men (very few women involved) and should not be able to pass themselves off as a political party.

They're not a party, they're a private business.

User364837 · 23/06/2024 14:18

Im annoyed I’ve lost 5 minutes of my life reading this thread which is clearly a load of rubbish 😆
so… he supposedly didn’t tell you he was voting bnp. Or reform. 🙄

IamaRevenant · 23/06/2024 14:20

Sorry Julie.

'This project was not successful' 😆

pikkumyy77 · 23/06/2024 14:23

There is a significant difference between views that are illegal and views that are immoral. OP may find she is obligated to tolerate many views because she lives in a democracy, because democracies tend not to make political speech illegal. But she is not obligated to welcome or tolerate views that the finds immoral in her relationship.

As for far right wing views and political goals (and far left wing) these are only spuriously or opportunistically democratic as the goal of a far right political party is generally the restoration of power to an elite or ethnically/nationally pure limited enfranchisement. Women, immigrants, non white (in a white ethnonationalist state) the disabled, the non productive, religious minorities, LGBTQ people are generally going to be penalized and excluded. Their votes will be suppressed and their rights taken away. That is the overt stated goal of rightwing parties if you care to pay attention to speeches and party platforms and alliances.

So OP’s husband and others here bloviating about their “rights” and right to be tolerated when they vote for these right wing parties are bullshit artists. Some are suckers who think they can have the nice bits of the promised golden rule of the ethnonationalist pure land party without participating in the misogyny, racism, and repression that will be visited on the impure/outsiders. But others are well aware that the ultimate goal is to cut non compliant, nonwhite, feminist, and LGBTQ people out of the body politic.

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:24

User364837 · 23/06/2024 14:18

Im annoyed I’ve lost 5 minutes of my life reading this thread which is clearly a load of rubbish 😆
so… he supposedly didn’t tell you he was voting bnp. Or reform. 🙄

Are you telling me in your entire life you’ve never had a conversation where there was a misunderstanding? Things get so twisted on here. I am naive about politics. I didn’t know about reform. When I guessed who he was voting for my words were ’but they’re racist’ he obviously thought we were talking about the sane party as did I. That’s all. I don’t know how many trolls are on mumsnet but I could not be bothered to waste my time on a made up story or reply to people. I mean what would I gain from that? I have a genuine issue I wanted to hear thoughts about.

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Allfur · 23/06/2024 14:25

PattyDuckface · 23/06/2024 13:57

Maybe people with legitimate worries about mass immigration into the UK find no alternative party to vote for?

Why don't you talk to him about what he thinks and feels about the country and politics in general and see what he thinks the BNP stand for? Writing him off as a racist or a "deplorable" as Hilary said just before the deplorables voted in Trump, is not really the way forward for your relationship in micro and the broader conversation in macro.

It seems that a lot of people have conflated curbing immigration and racism. The UK is one of the few countries in Europe that is moving further left in its likely voting in Labour next month, and the reason is that everyone thinks the Conservatives are far right fascists and that's the problem but the reality is they have governed over a period of enormous immigration into the UK never seen before that has left many people strangers in their own country.

It's sad that probably the least racist country in the world is crippling itself by never being able to talk about issues that seriously affect people for fear of racism

Left many people strangers in their own country - what are you on about?!

Menopaused · 23/06/2024 14:26

Relationship ender for me. Hideous views aside, It prohibits him and his family from taking some forms of employment if he joins them as a member.

Allfur · 23/06/2024 14:26

User364837 · 23/06/2024 14:18

Im annoyed I’ve lost 5 minutes of my life reading this thread which is clearly a load of rubbish 😆
so… he supposedly didn’t tell you he was voting bnp. Or reform. 🙄

Maybe you need to get off mumsnet

Wolfpa · 23/06/2024 14:26

So he didn’t tell you who he was voting for he just said not one of the main three parties?

Maybe he is a Monster Raving Loonie.

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:27

pikkumyy77 · 23/06/2024 14:23

There is a significant difference between views that are illegal and views that are immoral. OP may find she is obligated to tolerate many views because she lives in a democracy, because democracies tend not to make political speech illegal. But she is not obligated to welcome or tolerate views that the finds immoral in her relationship.

As for far right wing views and political goals (and far left wing) these are only spuriously or opportunistically democratic as the goal of a far right political party is generally the restoration of power to an elite or ethnically/nationally pure limited enfranchisement. Women, immigrants, non white (in a white ethnonationalist state) the disabled, the non productive, religious minorities, LGBTQ people are generally going to be penalized and excluded. Their votes will be suppressed and their rights taken away. That is the overt stated goal of rightwing parties if you care to pay attention to speeches and party platforms and alliances.

So OP’s husband and others here bloviating about their “rights” and right to be tolerated when they vote for these right wing parties are bullshit artists. Some are suckers who think they can have the nice bits of the promised golden rule of the ethnonationalist pure land party without participating in the misogyny, racism, and repression that will be visited on the impure/outsiders. But others are well aware that the ultimate goal is to cut non compliant, nonwhite, feminist, and LGBTQ people out of the body politic.

Thank you so much. is there anywhere you could suggest I look for more info. I’m very interested in everything you’ve posted here and would like to show these things to him, if he is being convinced by his brother (seems unlikely) I just want to put forward things he may not want to believe to be true.

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PandoraSox · 23/06/2024 14:28

Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:12

There was confusion on my part. i said something like ‘who are you voting for’, he said ‘im not saying’ so I’m a bit annoying and kept guessing, when he said no to all the legitimate parties I just looked at him and said ‘are you joking, they’re racist’. so BNP was never mentioned by name. that was just my terrible knowledge of politics. He didn’t say BNP or reform, he most likely presumes I know about reform. Which I did not. I just said he was interested in politics, it’s not like I said he was a politician.

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Hmm. So your DH never actually articulated who he is voting for?

What an odd thread.

PandoraSox · 23/06/2024 14:29

Wolfpa · 23/06/2024 14:26

So he didn’t tell you who he was voting for he just said not one of the main three parties?

Maybe he is a Monster Raving Loonie.

Or a Count Binface supporter?

Newsenmum · 23/06/2024 14:29

Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:12

Seems most likely reform. A few others have put me right in that one.

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This is more likely. They’re taking on a lot of ex conservative voters. It shows how dire the state of the country is atm. What’s his actual reason? Often is because there’s one policy they feel strongly about even if they know the rest are crap.

MateyMusings · 23/06/2024 14:31

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:32

Newsenmum · 23/06/2024 14:29

This is more likely. They’re taking on a lot of ex conservative voters. It shows how dire the state of the country is atm. What’s his actual reason? Often is because there’s one policy they feel strongly about even if they know the rest are crap.

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ill admit I didn’t ask much I was blindsided to be honest. Maybe I didn’t want to know. I just said I am ashamed of him and that I’d be mortified if he told anyone. He’s not generally someone easily swayed and he’d look into all parts of a party usually. Im very confused.

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EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 14:33

Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:12

There was confusion on my part. i said something like ‘who are you voting for’, he said ‘im not saying’ so I’m a bit annoying and kept guessing, when he said no to all the legitimate parties I just looked at him and said ‘are you joking, they’re racist’. so BNP was never mentioned by name. that was just my terrible knowledge of politics. He didn’t say BNP or reform, he most likely presumes I know about reform. Which I did not. I just said he was interested in politics, it’s not like I said he was a politician.

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So you don’t actually know

ChildrenOfTheQuorn · 23/06/2024 14:33

What an absolutely pointless thread. Don't even know the political party, don't even know the policies of the assumed party and yet 'ashamed' of DH 🙄

WhimsicalMoth · 23/06/2024 14:33

Absolutely a deal breaker, you're not being unreasonable in the slightest.
I really feel for you OP. It's very hard to have a huge difference in political views within a relationship 🩷

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:34

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I abhor racism of any kind. I have mixed race family members who have suffered racial abuse and I just cannot be with someone who thinks racism in any form is acceptable. I still have research to do. I’m looking online but I don’t really know what I’m looking for.

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:36

ChildrenOfTheQuorn · 23/06/2024 14:33

What an absolutely pointless thread. Don't even know the political party, don't even know the policies of the assumed party and yet 'ashamed' of DH 🙄

You are welcome not to read or comment on any post. But this is genuine. I have stated many times I am naive about politics. I assumed BNP I have since been corrected. If there’s even a tiny chance a party may be racist. Yeah I’ll be ashamed. Racism is disgusting.

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MateyMusings · 23/06/2024 14:38

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Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:38

EasternStandard · 23/06/2024 14:33

So you don’t actually know

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Well I named all the other parties and he said no so I’d assume it’s reform. If he was voting for another party he would have been very shocked when I said ‘they’re racist’ if they’re not known to be. He was not shocked but disagreed with me.

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cupcaske123 · 23/06/2024 14:39

Poltershighclimb99 · 23/06/2024 14:34

I abhor racism of any kind. I have mixed race family members who have suffered racial abuse and I just cannot be with someone who thinks racism in any form is acceptable. I still have research to do. I’m looking online but I don’t really know what I’m looking for.

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Research some of the candidates running for Reform. Quite a few have been forced to resign due to their unsavoury views.