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DD6’s party, Jemima’s mother and the clownfairy part 2

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Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 03:44

Hi all

After my last post here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5097890-to-tell-a-mum-of-a-guest-that-she-cant-stay-at-dd6s-birthday-party?page=1

I thought some of you might be interested in an update.

The clown/fairy I had booked ghosted me when I tried to confirm!!!! so for a moment there I was panicking about having no entertainer and felt that the mumsnet curse of hoping that DD had a shitty party would come true!!!!! luckily though, I have found and booked a back up fairy. So that mitigates the clown phobia risk

9 guests have RSVPed if a total of 12 invites (I had guessed 15), 3 TBC. Of the 12, I know 6 mothers (most of them just to say hi to at school). 3 who have RSVPed I couldn’t pick out of a line up. So far no other parents have asked to stay. Or indeed asked for any other details (or an “plan”)about the party.

Forecast is for pissing rain on Sunday.

The last few pages of the thread took a weird turn while I was asleep and started talking about swimming parties and lifeguards. We do actually have a pool … (I know I sound like I’m trolling at this point.) There will not be a lifeguard on duty, but as it’s about 12 degrees here so I don’t think anyone will be getting in the unheated pool.

(Am WFH today because DS has a high fever and power-chucked in the hallway last night while I was making cupcakes at 10pm for the sodding school fundraiser. As DS coughed in my face while he spreadeagled across my bed, I did think wistfully of one poster on the last thread who thought I was probably a cashed up career woman who barely saw her kids.)

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I’m fully prepared to be told I’m BU but I’m not changing my mind just upfront 😂 (I know that can be annoying when responding to AIBU posts). DD6’...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5097890-to-tell-a-mum-of-a-guest-that-she-cant-stay-at-dd6s-birthday-party?page=1

OP posts:
Didimum · 18/06/2024 10:19

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 10:18

But when they're in a classroom there's always going to be other adults (teachers and assistants etc) around to help in an emergency.
At home, there could be one kid needing help in the toilet, whilst one is being sick, one is falling over etc etc ..... and then there could be a real emergency occur on top. There'd be no one on hand to help in this case.

The Fairy will be there.

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 10:18

Deadpretty · 18/06/2024 10:10

And they were the same 5/6 yo’s who were dropped off at parties…. SEN aside (which is very different), parents do their kids no favours by never letting them sort things out for themselves. Parents are quite happy for one person to look after 30 of them in a class (whilst they are not there), but it’s an issue for one person looking after a dozen of them from the same class whilst they are fully entertained for 3 hours on a Saturday?

But when they're in a classroom there's always going to be other adults (teachers and assistants etc) around to help in an emergency.
At home, there could be one kid needing help in the toilet, whilst one is being sick, one is falling over etc etc ..... and then there could be a real emergency occur on top. There'd be no one on hand to help in this case.

InterIgnis · 18/06/2024 10:15

The way the outrage just escalated in response to you clearly not taking those chiding you seriously, and immediately changing your party to adhere to their preferences, really was something to behold. Whole asses were shown.

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xxwinterxx · 18/06/2024 10:13

Another kiwi here, I found your 1st thread fairly entertaining with all the talk of child-adult legal ratios/lifeguards/anaphylactic reactions/emergency trips to hospital/pony allergies, not to mention the psychoanalyzing of your character!

Can also vouch for this being the normal NZ way, as once mine were at school parties were just drop and leave if they were at someone's home. I would always go in to say hi and make sure the gift was handed over - and i guess if at that point I discovered dad was a Mongrel Mob member who bred pitbulls I would have stayed, but generally I wouldn't expect parents to hang around at that age either (personally I wouldn't mind if they did tho!).

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 10:12

OneWorldly4 · 18/06/2024 10:07

But you haven't answered the pivotal question either Daisy...

Are you a health and safety inspector?

Yes
No

Ooh you're best to read the last thread to find out

marmarmalade · 18/06/2024 10:11

Adore you OP @Endoftheroad12345 . My oldest is 30yo and youngest is 12yo . I didn'tt do baby parties, but did every other year from starting school. I met the parents at the door and they said "so pick up at 2?" and I said yes great. "come on in Hamish". Had them all ready at 2pm with lolly bags in hand. If someone had asked to stay I would have thought they were super weird. Nobody did. With 4 kids I can guarantee that staying at parties is very odd indeed. I rarely set foot in the door.
( One exception , a couple hired out an entire Italian restaurant and invited all the parents and supplied copious wine foolish mistake but a great party).

Oh and OP@Endoftheroad12345 I agree with you in every way and did love the pegging and internet jokes but "Yeah nah" is Australian. No copying please. 😉

Deadpretty · 18/06/2024 10:10

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 09:42

8 year olds are A LOT more able to look after themselves than 5/6 year olds.

And they were the same 5/6 yo’s who were dropped off at parties…. SEN aside (which is very different), parents do their kids no favours by never letting them sort things out for themselves. Parents are quite happy for one person to look after 30 of them in a class (whilst they are not there), but it’s an issue for one person looking after a dozen of them from the same class whilst they are fully entertained for 3 hours on a Saturday?

Sunnysideup999 · 18/06/2024 10:09

I feel that all of this could have been avoided if OP had put on the party invite ‘DROP OFF PARTY ONLY DUE TO SPACE CONSTRAINTS’.
you will know for next time OP 😉.

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 10:09

Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 09:46

I wasn’t implying others were the clown Daisy, I was implying that you were the clown

I know exactly who you were implying OP. I meant others, meaning apart from yourself. Never mind, there's no point in complicating things for you.

You do have a lot of, shall I say, confidence in your self OP, to be able to take the piss as you do. Just a little friendly advice, look at all the responses on your previous thread.
You started an AIBU, which basically means you're asking for people's opinions (in case you're not aware), but then tried to tear down posters (like myself) who didn't agree with you.
You came across as if you think you're superior (I'm a lawyer don't you know, which incidentally I imagine no one actually gives AF about, and a lawyer who not only can't have a reasonable debate, but can't even organise a child's party in time).

You been extremely aggressive to many posters and the worst of it all, you were nasty about a Mum who was purely enquiring about what the plan of action was regarding the party. Your reaction to her was completely over the top, unnecessary and cruel, especially as you thought of her as 'weird', amongst so many other negative comments about her.

You came across as paranoid too, and yet you have the audacity to mock me (amongst others), .... Wow, just wow .....

OneWorldly4 · 18/06/2024 10:07

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 09:06

I was on the last thread, and it was obvious that the OP couldn't answer simple questions. I asked her if she'd mentioned in her invites that it'd only be her alone supervising 15 young children, and instead of answering, she just mocked what id written and went off on a bizarre 'you're not my boss, you're not a health and safety inspector' tangent.

The reason I asked is because I think it's irresponsible to expect to be able to look after all those kids for 3 hours completely alone.
I mean, what would she do if there's an emergency? .... How can she possibly, safely, ensure that the kids will be ok? She can't. After all, no one can forsee what could potentially happen .

I'm not against drop off parties at all, BUT, I think some posters who agree with the OP about the fact it's fine for kids to be dropped off, those posters likely don't realise that there'll be NO other adults at all in the house lending a helping hand, just in case.

All that is needed really is one other person to help out the OP with the kids, and no one who has disagreed with the OP has said that every single parent should stay.

The OP has said that she could call for help if necessary, but that's ridiculous. There needs to be someone else present to deal with any potential issues immediately.

But you haven't answered the pivotal question either Daisy...

Are you a health and safety inspector?

Yes
No

CustardCream0472 · 18/06/2024 10:06

Plot twist - the new fairy you've hired is Jemima's mum

OneWorldly4 · 18/06/2024 10:03

My dear no nonsense Kiwi is back! You won't believe how excited I was!!

Can we be besties? Please?🤓

Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 10:03

Disobedient children will be thrown in the pool. (Fully fenced, compliant with the Fencing of Swimming Pools Act 1987)

OP posts:
Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 10:02

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 18/06/2024 09:52

I am a philistine, clearly, as I wouldn't necessarily expect to provide cake to parents! For DS's party it's actually a joint one (felt that was unnecessary detail earlier) so we're doing cupcakes rather than one big cake - and I haven't ordered enough for parents, so they will be out of luck on this occasion! I have ordered enough extra that any siblings can have one, as I don't want to make a toddler cry. If it's a big cake and clearly loads spare after the kids then it gets offered round the parents. Maybe this is part of the cultural difference - I'd totally expect to have parents present for 6 year olds, but because of that no one would expect to be hosted as that would be a big ask for 20 parents.

See I feel like if parents are there in my home they are guests too

I also feel if Jemima Mother is the only other adult there either
(a) she would feel compelled to offer to help and that would be annoying bc she can’t really as she doesn’t know here anything is, and we don’t know each other so it will be awkward or
(b) she wouldn’t help and then her mere presence would annoy me while I am busy running the party

Also as previously noted there is not enough room

Open plan kitchen, dining, living, table will be set up with food, I will be in the kitchen, ClownFairy will be running entertainment from the lounge area

OP posts:
Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 09:57

waterrat · 18/06/2024 09:51

@TorroFerney it's not a lie to be mildly flexible in order to be inclusive- you can say 'id rather just have kids without parents but if you need to stay then do'. its a kids party not the be all and end all of everything.

Why

OP posts:
MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 18/06/2024 09:52

Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 09:48

Parents will be offered birthday cake at the end! And whatever sausage roll or fairy bread detritus is still going. Am not a complete philistine

I am a philistine, clearly, as I wouldn't necessarily expect to provide cake to parents! For DS's party it's actually a joint one (felt that was unnecessary detail earlier) so we're doing cupcakes rather than one big cake - and I haven't ordered enough for parents, so they will be out of luck on this occasion! I have ordered enough extra that any siblings can have one, as I don't want to make a toddler cry. If it's a big cake and clearly loads spare after the kids then it gets offered round the parents. Maybe this is part of the cultural difference - I'd totally expect to have parents present for 6 year olds, but because of that no one would expect to be hosted as that would be a big ask for 20 parents.

waterrat · 18/06/2024 09:51

@TorroFerney it's not a lie to be mildly flexible in order to be inclusive- you can say 'id rather just have kids without parents but if you need to stay then do'. its a kids party not the be all and end all of everything.

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 09:51

NightOwlEarlyBird · 18/06/2024 09:29

Happy to see this Seinfeld-esque non-update, OP. I was having a really bad day when I read your other thread and your responses had me howling with laughter. Particularly liked 'I'm not in your jurisdiction, Daisy, you'll never catch me.' 😂

I'm weirdly invested in this saga now. Is it wrong to hope that the ghosting clown-fairy shows up unexpectedly and there's an entertainers-at-dawn scenario?

Ah yes, that comment by the OP was aimed at me.
I'm glad it made you howl with laughter, I mean, how could it not make you laugh?

I always howl at responses which are ridiculous and make absolutely no sense what soever, and which come from someone who can't answer a basic question.

Maybe you should get out more if you 'howl' at something like that 🙄

VanGoSunflowers · 18/06/2024 09:50

Some posters really need to read the room and lighten the fuck up

Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 09:48

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 18/06/2024 09:44

The etiquette where I am is that normally if it's a hall or a your own home you'd give them tea or coffee, maybe some biscuits. If it's a soft play or other sort of venue where they can buy their own drinks then nothing.

Parents will be offered birthday cake at the end! And whatever sausage roll or fairy bread detritus is still going. Am not a complete philistine

OP posts:
Endoftheroad12345 · 18/06/2024 09:46

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 09:39

You did say that, yes. Although that was only after people were disagreeing with you.

Also, anyone with an ounce of common sense wouldn't even contemplate, in the first place, supervising a party alone for all those kids without enlisting an extra pair of hands.
So, instead of taking the piss out of those of us who think you're irresponsible ( most did on the last thread, so it'll be interesting to see how many do here too if they've also read your previous posts), take note of posters who've also commented on your unpleasant attitude and weird responses for a start.

What's more, you're not really in a position to imply others are the 'clown'

I wasn’t implying others were the clown Daisy, I was implying that you were the clown

OP posts:
Bushmillsbabe · 18/06/2024 09:45

Codlingmoths · 18/06/2024 04:00

I have only read the op on the other thread, but is the mum local? Because where I am it would be horrifying to suggest parents don’t stay at a 6yo birthday party, it’d be the talk of the school and I’m not even joking. 20 parents squished into a house for one my dcs friends 6th bday party a few days ago. Parents are only just starting ti drop and run with the 9th bdays my older child is having.

I think it might depend on how well the parents know each other. At our little village school everyone stayed for 5th birthdays, some stayed some not for 6th. 7th only those with additional needs seemed to have their parents stay. 8th not a single person, and it would have been thought really strange if they did, its generally a much smaller group by then. Those that stayed for 6th were due to the parents wanting to chat, rather than their children needing them at all.

From 6 my daughter was going away over night with her Rainbows group without us, so she could definitely manage a 2 hour party without me. And lots of her classmates are the same with Rainbows and Beavers, they are a really confident sociable group of children, and value that bit of independence from their parents.

We are in UK, for context. I know OP isn't. I wouldn't be anti a parent staying if they felt their child needed them, but it wouldn't be thought strange if they didn't.

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 18/06/2024 09:44

Listress · 18/06/2024 09:40

Genuine question, do you cater for the parents? The last thread I started on parents and siblings at parties descended into chaos 😂

The etiquette where I am is that normally if it's a hall or a your own home you'd give them tea or coffee, maybe some biscuits. If it's a soft play or other sort of venue where they can buy their own drinks then nothing.

TorroFerney · 18/06/2024 09:43

waterrat · 18/06/2024 09:38

I thought your approach was just a bit mean spirited - even if you were overall absolutely within your rights to prefer no parents staying - totally understand that.

The way you messaged straight back - saying you can't stay but she can just not come! I think that was mean - sorry, maybe you don't agree but - we are all part of a community and at 6 it's within the bounds of normal for SOME children to be clingy and want mum in a new environment.

I would have said - I'd prefer to just have the kids but if she really needs you then of course. no big deal.

But that would have been a lie, she didn’t want her to stay.

Daisy1457 · 18/06/2024 09:42

Deadpretty · 18/06/2024 09:13

Blimey. I once hosted an ‘all the girls in the class’ sleepover. Another Terrible idea but no one died and no parent was concerned that I was aware of. They were 8.

8 year olds are A LOT more able to look after themselves than 5/6 year olds.

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