To feel sad and like the friendship is over due to flat earth belief

I Hadn't realised this thread was still going, and what lovely language/imagery there on the 13th, @VincitVeritas1

Speaking of horizons though, another thought occurred:
At sea level I believe the horizon's about 25 miles for someone of average height, and anything else also at sea level beyond that can't be seen because of the earth's curvature

So where do these loons think it's all disappeared to and how do they explain it reappearing when closer?

With things like this I always think the best advice advice is to just allow people to be wrong.

Just let them be wrong, no need for argument, you know they're wrong and I know it's hard to stop yourself but just let it be. If she's a good friend just move on and ignore it and don't discuss it. Even if she does say it you can just say "Oh ok" and leave it at that. It save a lot of stress believe me.

And of course, everyone knew tthe world was round by the time of Columbus' voyage; the big debate by then was whether the sun or our earth was the centre of the universe. So the whole premise of the book is wrong. But it's still an interesting read.

PS, I wouldn't chuck a good friend if they thought the world was flat (Especially not one that knew about the elephants and the turtle).

ANd we've had this conversation before: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4298863-The-End-Of-The-World-Is-Flat

@Vroomfondleswaistcoat

Greebo would just shag it. Whatever shape it was.

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When it's related to religiosity, I have enough emotional intelligence and compassion to not consider it irredeemable stupidity. Because it's often a suspension of disbelief, indoctrination, cult-like thinking and vulnerable people who have often suffered some kind of loss or trauma in life and their beliefs give them comfort.

And i'm not going to be a complete twat telling them they're thick or cutting them off because of it.

You’ve no issue with being friends with the irredeemably stupid?

Greebo would just shag it. Whatever shape it was.

My BF of thirty years voted Leave. She even tried to justify her decision to me. Now we just never talk about it or mention it and we have stayed best friends - just friends who don't talk about politics in any way shape or form (we have plenty of other things to discuss, so we both just tiptoe away from anything too sensitive).

No. I couldn’t be friends with someone that fucking stupid.

I don't think it has to mean the end of the friendship.

I think views on racism, politics of the death penalty or womens rights etc might be but when it comes to religious beliefs or adjacent ones, they're all nothing I believe in but all pretty 'out there' in terms of my belief system but I wouldn't not be friends with them unless they were trying to impose it on me.

I bet your mate is voting Reform.

I am so slow! This is a very thinly disuised trans post isn't it? (I just shelved "The End of the World is Flat".) I like SImon Edge's writing. The one with the Nuns (who all drowned, so not funny really) was very clever and droll, the Bury St Edmonds one was well written and a quick read; but he is a bit of a one trick pony isn't he? Find a Wiki article, make circular links, chuck in some history and use the three parts to make an amusing read. Sometimes he veers from the amusing to the cruel though....

But the conspiracy buffs will tell you that all that space stuff was done in Hollywood.

You can't blame Christians for this one:

He stretches out the north over the void
and hangs the earth on nothing. (Job 26:7)

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, (Isaiah 40:22)

I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, (Proverbs 8:27)

He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters
for a boundary between light and darkness. (Job 26:10)

I am not a flat earther, I just think it's amusing when people claim absolute knowledge and assert their intelligence based on common consensus

Erm... How well travelled? Maybe if you were confident that you had personally walked around circumference of the earth, you could claim to have absolute knowledge of its roundness. Failing that's we're getting into philosophical questions about theory of knowledge.

I'm much the same generation as you (am 68) @Cariadm and I well remember the hymns at school (in fact one year our ambitious music teacher taught us all the Hallelujah chorus for a Speech day performance, it was awesome!). I can still remember most of the words to those hymns now even though modern hymns have taken over.

No I'm not RC, I'm C of E. We had a Vicar who used to stutter badly so he'd taken to a sing-song voice in order to overcome it. Of course us teens thought it was hilarious and nearly died trying to keep the giggles in during assemblies when he was there!

As for the prototype idea, we put ourselves in that spot by being disobedient from the start. Reading through the Old Testament is a real eye-opener and you think wow can you people really be this bad when you've seen what God can do, yet you still want to build golden calves that do nothing? I'm not sure that people now realise how much history is in the OT, I haven't read all of it yet, am reading through it during the course of this year, but am really enjoying it thus far.

I guess we have strayed quite a way from the Flat Earth!

No, sadly not and that's obviously the one thing that those with 'faith' could be envied for!! 🙄I am 76 and when I was a child I was sent to Sunday school and religion played a much bigger role in schools than it does now...There was an assembly every morning at which hymns were sung, we learnt many Jesus themed ditties, All Creatures Great and Small etc etc and one of the songs my Mum sang to me at bedtime was Jesus Bids Us Shine Like a Pure Clear Light (Like a little candle burning in the night!)...As a teenager I attended a Methodist Church and with my best friend took full advantage of the social aspects this offered, Youth Club, rambles in the countryside, and of course attending church services on a Sunday although more time was spent ogling the boys than anything else!! I guess I never questioned my 'faith' at all until much later on when I gave it actual cognitive thought and realised that my logical, rational brain was having none of it and that's how I have remained throughout my adult life!😊It cannot be denied of course that if it were all to be true it could be wonderful (unless your're unlucky enough to be RC of course as that's a whole other story?) for instance, who wouldn't want to see their loved ones again?!😍 It will all however remain a mystery to all of us until that moment we die, God, creation, the Universe, the Big Bang, evolution etc etc, but I for one am not holding out much hope that this life is not all there is except maybe, IF there is a 'God' then the human race must surely be a 'prototype' that at some point in the very near future will be replaced by something far superior?!😱

Yes I was thinking about this (I have always had faith even though I went off and did my own thing away from it for awhile, I never stopped believing and I haven't come from a non-faith background) so quite possibly I'm not the best person to answer this, am still learning!

So I'm interested, I presume you don't believe in any god so do you have anything you'd consider to be a 'comfort blanket'?

I'm sorry, because although I'm a great believer in the saying “I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." if you actually do conclusively and honestly believe in your 'god' you of course have every right to do so but please, if you want to be taken seriously you really do need to understand how this appears to those who do not have or find it impossible to rationalise your faith? Your final words 'but the Holy Spirit is within you to help teach and guide, so you're not alone. The ultimate reward is eternal life, which I consider is worth it!' SURELY just verifies and justifies my observation regarding 'comfort blankets'?! 🙄

She sounds like she has mental health issues

Yes fair enough you did say that. I have seen it before though, people thinking it's just a feel-good thing.

So the actual point is that when you accept Jesus as Lord of your life, the process of 'dying to self' begins. This is because we are confronting our life from a new viewpoint, from God's eternal and unchanging values, not ours, not society's. This can be hard because you can be swimming against the tide of popular belief. Humans like to fit in, but becoming a Christian means you will be an outsider. You have to grow in a new way of being, learning to trust in God and surrender your old life. This isn't easy, but the Holy Spirit is within you to help teach and guide, so you're not alone. The ultimate reward is eternal life, which I consider is worth it!

Oh dear!
I wonder how they would explain my seeing the curvature of the earth from the deck of a cruise ship?
Perhaps I'd had specially curved contact lenses inserted without my knowledge?
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I always think people who say they believe the earth is flat are either taking the piss or attention seeking

You spit fluoride out