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To think most women on here hate men

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:45

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

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Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 15:53

taleasoldashoney · 09/05/2024 15:47

I've asked a few times but I'm not sure I am going to get an answer

if a stranger calling you stupid on a post on an online forum is mild abuse how is your partner (of either sex) screaming and shouting at you not also at least mild abuse?

As I’ve stated multiple times on this thread, it could be abuse, but we have one side of the argument from the wife’s pov, we were not a fly on the wall to know if she’s left out anything that would be bad for her to have said, we do not know for sure if he was screaming and shouting at her, he may have raised his voice, I know in my life at times when I’ve been upset or even angry I’ve said things wrong when replaying how things have happened, call it exaggeration if you will, sometimes when we get upset it happens. Now if the ladies account of what happened is exactly as described, and if when she has he has a temper and can be moody, she means directed at her, then I will agree it does seem like abuse, if however when she says he has a temper, it’s not directed at her, he gets angered easily for all sorts of things with all sorts of people, then that is not cut and dry abuse

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taleasoldashoney · 09/05/2024 15:47

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 13:05

Yes of course that is valid that you should expect loved ones to treat you better than strangers. At the same time is it then ok for a stranger to abuse you? And I mean any abuse, no matter how mild or severe, I’m not in any way comparing mild verbal abuse to much worse scenarios? And yes, calling someone stupid is mild verbal abuse

I've asked a few times but I'm not sure I am going to get an answer

if a stranger calling you stupid on a post on an online forum is mild abuse how is your partner (of either sex) screaming and shouting at you not also at least mild abuse?

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 09/05/2024 15:46

peacefull · 09/05/2024 15:29

I watched a survival show on youtube about a group of men and a group of women on an island.
Guess witch group done better the men did.
The womens group did nothing but moan cry and argue and used their emergency phone call for help and supplys.
While the men had made a camp got a fire got water fish and a crocodile for lunch.
While on the womens side of the island they were arguing about who was washing knickers and how much the men were gonna fail.

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Cool story, bro.

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 15:43

strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 15:38

So, as stated, it's now abundantly clear that the users of this site don't hate men, just their cunty behaviour.

Excellent :)

I think you are choosing to not see the posts where someone actually says “yes I hate men” they may have also stated reasons, they may not, now full respect for admitting to this, and maybe when they have said they hate men it was meant sarcastically, however this is not clear, so unless obvious sarcasm I’ll trust the person meant what they said

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PamPamPamPam · 09/05/2024 15:41

peacefull · 09/05/2024 15:29

I watched a survival show on youtube about a group of men and a group of women on an island.
Guess witch group done better the men did.
The womens group did nothing but moan cry and argue and used their emergency phone call for help and supplys.
While the men had made a camp got a fire got water fish and a crocodile for lunch.
While on the womens side of the island they were arguing about who was washing knickers and how much the men were gonna fail.

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What does this have to do with anything?

strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 15:38

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 15:36

There are actually a fair few women on this thread that have admitted to hating men

So, as stated, it's now abundantly clear that the users of this site don't hate men, just their cunty behaviour.

Excellent :)

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 15:36

strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 15:10

So, back to the point, sidestepping all the hatred of women, it's now abundantly clear that users of this site don't hate men, just hate it when men behave like cunts and refuse to be tone policed, terrorised, minimised or coerced into pretending cunt behaviour is ok.

Good to know :)

There are actually a fair few women on this thread that have admitted to hating men

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peacefull · 09/05/2024 15:29

I watched a survival show on youtube about a group of men and a group of women on an island.
Guess witch group done better the men did.
The womens group did nothing but moan cry and argue and used their emergency phone call for help and supplys.
While the men had made a camp got a fire got water fish and a crocodile for lunch.
While on the womens side of the island they were arguing about who was washing knickers and how much the men were gonna fail.

neverbeenskiing · 09/05/2024 15:19

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 14:24

Yet you make unsubstantiated claims in your post and then say I don't care.
It's like saying this is my opinion so it must be right.
I'm on the board of directors, 2/3rds are women. And over 2/3rds of nonsense bickering between colleagues is guess what.
Women.

None of the claims in my post are unsubstantiated, a very brief internet search will provide plenty of evidence that these structural inequalities do exist. But it's not my job to do research for you and provide you with a reference list. We all have access to the same information. 2/3 of the board of directors in your particular organisation being women is not proof that we've achieved an equal society.

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strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 15:10

So, back to the point, sidestepping all the hatred of women, it's now abundantly clear that users of this site don't hate men, just hate it when men behave like cunts and refuse to be tone policed, terrorised, minimised or coerced into pretending cunt behaviour is ok.

Good to know :)

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 15:08

vivainsomnia · 09/05/2024 15:04

My SIL has been a family mediator for over 10 years. She gets to hear the issue from one partner and then the other. She said that there is one thing she's definitely learned is that the account of just one side, however convincing, is very rarely the reflection of the full story.

The is the whole point of mediation, accepting that one situation can be perceived totally differently by the people involved.

It is extremely delusional to believe that what is written here, usually at a time where the main drive is anger and the need to vent, is in anyway representative of the situation as seen by someone who is not directly involved.

I'm not talking about severe abuse. I'm talking about the exemple of the 5 months pregnant poster who describe a situation in the park. Yet so many concluded that it was a clear fact her OH was abusive and that OP needed to leave him. Utterly ridiculous!

Thankyou for this, I think you have probably been more eloquent in what you have said than I’ve been, this is exactly my opinion on some of the threads, I’m reading one today about a woman who is fed up with her husbands collectibles (toys) in living room, he has a room he’s allowed to display them in and more have crept into living room, plus man cave not being utilised, and I see both sides. But there is a lot of mild sexism in the comments, but also a lot of people commenting saying op in their opinion isn’t being fair, tbh it’s the most balanced thread I’ve seen so far. And it’s probably still swayed a little in favour of op, including one woman who did not say ltb but said if her husband insisted on his stuff that she didn’t like in living room she would leave her husband

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vivainsomnia · 09/05/2024 15:04

My SIL has been a family mediator for over 10 years. She gets to hear the issue from one partner and then the other. She said that there is one thing she's definitely learned is that the account of just one side, however convincing, is very rarely the reflection of the full story.

The is the whole point of mediation, accepting that one situation can be perceived totally differently by the people involved.

It is extremely delusional to believe that what is written here, usually at a time where the main drive is anger and the need to vent, is in anyway representative of the situation as seen by someone who is not directly involved.

I'm not talking about severe abuse. I'm talking about the exemple of the 5 months pregnant poster who describe a situation in the park. Yet so many concluded that it was a clear fact her OH was abusive and that OP needed to leave him. Utterly ridiculous!

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 14:53

WhatsTheProblemSarah · 09/05/2024 08:31

This is what I was getting at. Either you stand with the good ones and try and change things or you just stoop to the level of those you're complaining about and become a hypocrite.

@5128gap i hope I have tagged the right person, if I haven’t I’m sorry (had a brain fart and forgot to check name of person I was meant to tag 🤣 yes I admit to being a dumbarse sometimes, am I allowed to claim brain fog?)

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Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 14:48

5128gap · 09/05/2024 14:12

No, it's not OK to call another poster on MN stupid. If a person's comment indicates they are not particularly intellectually capable, the polite thing is to keep that to oneself and comment on the stupidity of their point not them as a person. However, I don't really understand what you're trying to demonstrate with that? That sometimes women can be rude on MN? We know this.
That throwing around insults is abusive behaviour? We know this too, it's exactly what the people who say LTB are arguing, surely? If you've become upset at a stranger on here calling you stupid, doesn't that just prove the point that if you hear than from your husband it's even less ok, and if he does it and upsets you on the regular you may indeed want to consider LTB?

Thankyou for acknowledging that what I said about the calling someone stupid is abusive, of all the people who have disagreed with what I’ve said, you are the first in that reply to actually seem to consider what I’ve said and say “yes that’s wrong”

I suppose my point with any comments about that and other things said to people in personal attacks, no matter how mild, is that when a man says anything similar to a woman, he’s being sexist, misogynistic, abusive (take your pick from any or all plus more words to describe) and yet if a woman says similar to a man, it’s justified because men say worse and do worse, when a woman says it to a woman it gets brushed off as “I didn’t say anything abusive to you” she’s laughed at, ridiculed etc, if a man said to a woman “I didn’t say anything abusive to you” it’s gaslighting, but if a woman on Mumsnet says that, it’s backed up with a sort of gang mentality of other women supporting her in solidarity, because “we believe your opinion is not valid, we believe your opinion is horse shit” any combination of similar statements.

so the vibe I’m getting on here is “because men say worse on male dominated threads/do worse in person etc that makes it ok to aim milder in men’s directions, but that’s ok because men do and say worse.
then when a woman on here dares to speak an opinion that is not the majority, it’s acceptable to ridicule and verbally abuse, that is not a grown up healthy debate, it is essentially a milder version of the abuse some men inflict on women and a form of sexism, but that’s ok because it’s not raping and beating men and all other forms of abuse that women have been subjected to.

one poster on this thread said something thought provoking earlier and I wish I could remember the wording as I do not want to mis quote, I will try and find the post to not leave confusion, if I do I will tag you in the quote

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PamPamPamPam · 09/05/2024 14:36

@Missamyp I have, and your response does not make any sense. Are you implying that the "nonsense bickering" by women on boards that you have witnessed negates the reality of sexism?

Women can be awful, terrible, abusive. But sexism still exists. So what point are you trying to make?

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 14:33

PamPamPamPam · 09/05/2024 14:26

"I'm on the board of directors, 2/3rds are women. And over 2/3rds of nonsense bickering between colleagues is guess what.
Women."

@Missamyp what does the above have to do with anything? Can you explain please.

Read the quoted post and stop being so facetious.

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 14:33

5128gap · 09/05/2024 07:44

And some posters hate women, or are so keen to promote a male rights agenda that they are compelled to jump on to threads interrupting women supporting other women, minimising male bad behaviour, blaming the woman for her plight, and countering with stories of women who are allegedly just as bad or worse. These people have plenty of places where they could gather a consensus on line. But that's not enough. They want to come to a forum where by the sheer nature of the number of women seeking advice, there's going to be discussions that reveal men in a poor light, and use it as a vehicle to push their own agenda.

The majority of posters on this forum are women the MRA-style posters are obvious, they're called out quickly and gain zero support.
The bullying and lack of cohesive thought and emotional rhetoric are wholly created and carried out by women on this forum.

PamPamPamPam · 09/05/2024 14:26

"I'm on the board of directors, 2/3rds are women. And over 2/3rds of nonsense bickering between colleagues is guess what.
Women."

@Missamyp what does the above have to do with anything? Can you explain please.

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 14:24

neverbeenskiing · 09/05/2024 14:13

There are individual men who I love dearly, but men as a whole need to do better.

Casual sexism and misogyny is still rife in every area of society. Too many women are still discriminated against or overlooked in the workplace, too many women are subjected to sexual assault and harassment in public and in private and Domestic Abuse continues to be a massive public health issue in this country.

I work with children and families and I genuinely think the average person has no idea how common coercive control and emotional abuse from men towards women in relationships actually is, and the many forms it can take. If there are many women on MN "projecting" about control and abuse on relationship threads that is because so many have experienced it and are hypervigilant as a result. I also work with a lot of women who are experiencing it but are in total denial because they are conditioned to accept shit treatment for themselves and make excuses for men. For every post I see on here saying LTB I see a lot more falling over themselves to excuse vile male behaviour.

Before anyone starts bleating that it's NOT ALL MEN by the way, I really don't care. Because let's be honest, it may not be all men but it is a fuck-ton of men. And you rarely see the ones it's not actually doing anything about it. Most men think that if they're not the one doing it that's enough but they're not challenging other men, they're not stepping up and making a stand. At least not in a way that requires any genuine sacrifice.

It's not just at home and at work either. Institutional sexism is still a big problem in this country. It is well documented that women with chronic pain are less likely to recieve timely and effective treatment. Women have been given good reason to distrust or even fear the Police in recent years and the Court system is letting everyone down, but women and children most of all. The press continues to pit women against each other, and even the most powerful, successful and influential women are objectified, infantilised or vilified in all of our media.

I wouldn't say I "hate men", but I'm definitely sick and tired of their collective shit. Maya Angelou said it best "I'd be stupid not to be on my own side" and I'm sorry but anyone who says there aren't sides hasn't been paying attention.

Yet you make unsubstantiated claims in your post and then say I don't care.
It's like saying this is my opinion so it must be right.
I'm on the board of directors, 2/3rds are women. And over 2/3rds of nonsense bickering between colleagues is guess what.
Women.

neverbeenskiing · 09/05/2024 14:13

There are individual men who I love dearly, but men as a whole need to do better.

Casual sexism and misogyny is still rife in every area of society. Too many women are still discriminated against or overlooked in the workplace, too many women are subjected to sexual assault and harassment in public and in private and Domestic Abuse continues to be a massive public health issue in this country.

I work with children and families and I genuinely think the average person has no idea how common coercive control and emotional abuse from men towards women in relationships actually is, and the many forms it can take. If there are many women on MN "projecting" about control and abuse on relationship threads that is because so many have experienced it and are hypervigilant as a result. I also work with a lot of women who are experiencing it but are in total denial because they are conditioned to accept shit treatment for themselves and make excuses for men. For every post I see on here saying LTB I see a lot more falling over themselves to excuse vile male behaviour.

Before anyone starts bleating that it's NOT ALL MEN by the way, I really don't care. Because let's be honest, it may not be all men but it is a fuck-ton of men. And you rarely see the ones it's not actually doing anything about it. Most men think that if they're not the one doing it that's enough but they're not challenging other men, they're not stepping up and making a stand. At least not in a way that requires any genuine sacrifice.

It's not just at home and at work either. Institutional sexism is still a big problem in this country. It is well documented that women with chronic pain are less likely to recieve timely and effective treatment. Women have been given good reason to distrust or even fear the Police in recent years and the Court system is letting everyone down, but women and children most of all. The press continues to pit women against each other, and even the most powerful, successful and influential women are objectified, infantilised or vilified in all of our media.

I wouldn't say I "hate men", but I'm definitely sick and tired of their collective shit. Maya Angelou said it best "I'd be stupid not to be on my own side" and I'm sorry but anyone who says there aren't sides hasn't been paying attention.

5128gap · 09/05/2024 14:12

Tanyahawkes · 09/05/2024 13:05

Yes of course that is valid that you should expect loved ones to treat you better than strangers. At the same time is it then ok for a stranger to abuse you? And I mean any abuse, no matter how mild or severe, I’m not in any way comparing mild verbal abuse to much worse scenarios? And yes, calling someone stupid is mild verbal abuse

No, it's not OK to call another poster on MN stupid. If a person's comment indicates they are not particularly intellectually capable, the polite thing is to keep that to oneself and comment on the stupidity of their point not them as a person. However, I don't really understand what you're trying to demonstrate with that? That sometimes women can be rude on MN? We know this.
That throwing around insults is abusive behaviour? We know this too, it's exactly what the people who say LTB are arguing, surely? If you've become upset at a stranger on here calling you stupid, doesn't that just prove the point that if you hear than from your husband it's even less ok, and if he does it and upsets you on the regular you may indeed want to consider LTB?

Worldgonecrazy · 09/05/2024 13:38

Take the number of women who experience rape, sexual assault, domestic abuse, emotional abuse, financial abuse. Add in those that experience cat calling, objectification, inequality at work. Add in general sexism or inequal division of Labour.

Then add in the number of men wanking themselves watching images of women being raped /abused. Men who use prostitutes. Men having affairs.

Divide by total number of men.

Even allowing that some men will fall into more than one category, the sad truth is that a significant majority of men are horrible, even if only for a part of their daily lives, which women may or may not get to see.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 09/05/2024 13:34

I do. I could quite easily become a full on misandrist, if it wasn't for my lovely DS.

Missamyp · 09/05/2024 13:28

Nolongerher · 09/05/2024 07:59

Because the experienced women on here recognize that if a poster has posted on here, it’s because they have a partner they can’t resolve things with in real life. And that’s not a good sign.

Because posters here have the experience to recognize that the one incident posted here is likely the tip of a huge heap of shit.

Because in real life women trivialize and normalize shit behaviour by saying ‘men, what are the like!’ When their friends complain about their partners. And that normalization keeps women in shit relationships.

Mumsnet is a really valuable resource to help women see what is going on in their rejationships with clarity.

There’s nowhere quite like it. It’s really important.

A poster on a forum was advised to (LTB) by other posters because her partner was not giving her enough attention or emotional support after receiving negative feedback in her job performance review. Many users on the forum tend to start their complaints with similar issues, such as unequal division of household tasks and feeling unsupported by their partners. For instance, some users may complain that their partners work longer hours than they do, yet they still expect them to contribute equally to household chores. Usually admitting the DP in question is under pressure at work, ill or some other extraneous. circumstance.

It's the place to vent, yet others take great delight in extrapolating that scenario to either fit a fictitious story or compare it to their own.