To think most women on here hate men

Nobody gives a shit who you are married to.

Oh my God is the OP STILL wittering on?! You asked. We answered. The vast majority believe you're wrong. For the love of God, find a new way to try to blame women for existing.

Is this meant to be an example of a lovely, misunderstood man?

@Oneofthesurvivors Yes indeed; I do apologise. I will take my statement to be correct considering nobody has suggested otherwise.

You didn't ask a question, you made a statement.

@Spywoman Fascinating that nobody has answered my question though, isn't it? Clearly I can't be a real feminist and love my husband. My bad.

You're right. That poster is clearly not posting in good faith, so best not to engage.

The goading of an articulate and passionate poster with faux concern for their mental health gave it away.

I agree with you, the instruction to 'be kind' is so damaging and insidious. It seems so reasonable when you're growing up, I mean why shouldn't you be caring to others. Except when you see it's a trap designed to keep you from looking out for yourself and other women; it's only women and girls that are told this.

And once the scales fall, then you're told you're angry or mentally unstable. Which is another trap.

It's all about being made to be smaller.

And all those cool women that pass on the 'be kind' message, you're not making things better for lovely men. You're enabling the tossers, abusers and wankers.

I'm perfectly able to like, love and admire decent men. That doesn't stop me seeing that society is rigged in men's favour and there are many men that do want to debase and abuse women. Just go on a review site of female sex workers to see how some men really consider women. My experience of abusive men has enabled me to see red flags where they exist and I will continue to pass on that information because I wish someone had done that for me.

Believe it or not, I and many women on here can hold several viewpoints simultaneously without their head exploding.

@Catsmere Oh of course there's not(!) You can just hate all men justifiably.
I think it's appalling that some women are giving the feminist movement a bad name by citing that women are more important than men and/or that men don't matter. You're not and they do.
Next you'll be telling me I can't possibly be a feminist because I'm in a heterosexual marriage.

Given that "misandry" isn't a thing, I don't think you know much about feminism. It's women's liberation, and there's no requirement to Be Kind involved.

But as others have said, you're not engaging in good faith anyway.

If a teenage boy so much as holds a door open for a woman he’s a future sex offender.

I would love to see the thread that is the source for that claim

@Catsmere Nothing could be further from the truth. But I don't support blatant misandry. That's not feminism; that's unacceptable. Not in my name, thanks.

I’ve noticed there’s actually a hate for boys on MN. Especially teenage boys.
I’ve seen threads describe Princess Diana as a ‘child bride’ just today when she married at 20, and have also recently seen a 15yo boy described as a ‘grown man’ 🙄

The different advice on teens in the same situations are shockingly different for the sexes too. If a teenage girls smack her mum across the face and calls her a cunt it’s a man’s or a teacher’s fault somewhere. If a teenage boy so much as holds a door open for a woman he’s a future sex offender. It’s just so ridiculous, the man hating (and yes OP there is some unreasonable hate for men here) has trickled down to boy hating. Pathetic

Bullshit. What sort of person says it's unhealthy to be angry at injustice? Oh, I know - a misogynist who thinks women should smile and be silent.

@Tanyahawkes it's still happening the world over I'm afraid, and it makes me sad to think of everything we have missed out on as a society by men denying women education for so long. I wonder where we would be in terms of technological advances etc. if women had been able to take an active role in society?

That's the point I was making, in my family there has been a seismic shift in one generation, what could be achieved in say five generations in all families if girls' education was valued as highly as boys' education on a global scale?

@taleasoldashoney You're being ridiculous now! The lady is angry, she hates all men, she clearly feels very hard done by. Even successful people need support sometimes. And that's OK.

Exactly! Why wouldn't any woman with a scintilla of awareness hate the class that does all this?

Actually scrap my above post @AbFabDaaaaahling , I agree with the post about this not being respectful debate and I have no wish to drag this out further. I won't be responding further to your posts on this subject if you do make any more.

Your emotions aren't exactly coming across as healthy at this point either

Many women are successful. Some people have an easier path to success than others though due to their background, medical issues, money, family support etc. @PamPamPamPam sounds like she's had it harder than some so I'm not sure why you seem determined to drag her achievements down

@AbFabDaaaaahling and this is the point at which respectful debate ends for me. You are clearly not interacting with me in good faith so I won't be responding to you anymore.

@taleasoldashoney She's angry and that's not healthy for anyone. Nothing to do with her being "successful" as many women indeed are.

Do you really want to be the person who goads a woman for being successful in a county where only a generation ago women were routinely denied education?

@PamPamPamPam Have you had counselling about all of this? It's not good for you to be carrying such anger❤

@AbFabDaaaaahling why have you used quote marks for the word "forcing"? Do you not believe that it happened or is it that you think leaving school at the age of 12 was my mother's decision?

And you know what the focus of this thread is right? A good chunk of the last 600 odd posts have been about the ways in which men mistreat women. So you don't think it's relevant that just one generation ago in my case, girls were routinely taken out of school before they were even teens so they could start performing the domestic labour in the home while boys continued with their education? That's not a significant example of one of the ways in which men have historically kept women down? By denying them education? I thought you were a teacher?

How do you think my mum feels about that injustice to this day? She had to watch her brothers go to school while she stayed home and cleaned and cooked for the family.

So yes, my example is significant. It makes me furious on behalf of all the women who came before me who were not only not given any choices but were actively prevented from having a stake in their own futures. By men.

And before anyone chimes in with how much things have changed etc. I am in my 30s. It really was not that long ago and is still happening the world over.