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To think most women on here hate men

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:45

Sorry for the rant but I’m noticing a pattern on mn, any post involving a man and a disagreement results in multiple calls of he’s a narcissist, he’s abusing, he’s controlling, leave the bastard!

I’ll admit that a list of posts do involve behaviour that is not nice from dh and dp. So many posts also can be interpreted in many ways too, I just feel like a large number of women jump to the worst conclusion first about a strangers partner, having only one side of a story told in a short version.

for anyone misunderstanding me, if a post says the partner is hurting physically, calling names, cheating, putting the op down, then yes I agree, ltb (so long as the post is true) it’s when a post says “great relationship, today partner upset me and we couldn’t see eye to eye” and everyone calls the poor guy a narcissist etc

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 19:12

CallThatCloudy · 07/05/2024 19:07

I went a long time thinking LTB meant "Learn to Breathe", which I thought was excellent advice!

But agree with the OP, the knee jerk anti men sentiment appears all too readily.

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We seem to be the minority on here

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Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 19:11

AmusedMaker · 07/05/2024 19:08

YABU
most women on MN hate men who treat their partner with zero respect.
doesn’t matter how nice he is 95% of the time, if he calls his partner ( & usually the mother of his children ) a fucking selfish cunt because she wants to do something he’s not happy with ….well. I’ll hate him for her.

Again I’ll say, this would be abuse and not the posts I’m talking about

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Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 07/05/2024 19:11

BitOutOfPractice · 07/05/2024 19:00

Of course I don’t hate men. But the older I get the less time and patience I have for their bullshit, bad behaviour and all Other forms of misogyny and nonsense

Same here. I have really wised up to a lot of their BS that l just didn't see when l was younger.

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PaminaMozart · 07/05/2024 19:09

I've been on MN for quite a few years and, oh my, it has been an eye-opening experience. I've been married nearly 50 years, but the degree of shit that some women put up with is simply astonishing.

By the time someone posts about their horrible relationship, it has usually reached a point where there is very little to salvage. Therefore, when I see a poster describing a situation which makes me react with 'run and save yourself' (and your children!), I recommend that they run.

AmusedMaker · 07/05/2024 19:08

YABU
most women on MN hate men who treat their partner with zero respect.
doesn’t matter how nice he is 95% of the time, if he calls his partner ( & usually the mother of his children ) a fucking selfish cunt because she wants to do something he’s not happy with ….well. I’ll hate him for her.

CallThatCloudy · 07/05/2024 19:07

I went a long time thinking LTB meant "Learn to Breathe", which I thought was excellent advice!

But agree with the OP, the knee jerk anti men sentiment appears all too readily.

Jamazon1 · 07/05/2024 19:04

Women are so rarely believed (check out the proportion of rape convictions to rape reports, to women who wanted to report but couldn’t face being verbally raped a second time in court) oh and not forgetting the latest get out of jail free card related to women abused to the point of extreme violence and killed passed off as “a sex game gone wrong” despite description of the most vile cruelties imaginable.
see also acid attacks, “honour murders” etc.
Now let’s look at the men who murder their wives (and often their families) because they “lost control” of them. It’s reported in the press as “Lovely family man, couldn’t possibly have committed such an atrocity” “such a stalwart of the community”etc.
If women come here to ask other women if their worries are unfounded, oh dear I don’t want to accuse him it might ruin his Good Guy reputation, then fair enough. WHERE ELSE can they go for a friendly, understanding and supportive word?
When it gets to that point how often are they believed? How often are they accused of contributing to their abuse?
So no, it’s not that women hate men, it’s that they know they’d be believed if a bear assaulted them.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 19:03

PurpleLampShades · 07/05/2024 18:56

Show me 5 threads where this has actually happened. An OP about a ‘trivial’ argument where every poster has advised the OP to leave.

I’ll find the most recent one, I’m not saying there are even 5 posts like this, but one I read just before posting this really made me upset for the op that everyone was making her partner out to be abusive because he over reacted, now don’t get me wrong, maybe in 10 min op will say something to make me change my mind and agree actually he’s abusive, but I think it’s an argument that’s gone a bit far in terms of over reacting (personal opinion and obviously I might be wrong)

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airforsharon · 07/05/2024 19:03

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:55

Oh undeniably most of the posts are 1000% abuse, control etc, it’s not those posts I’m talking about, it’s the silly arguments that yes upset the poster, but don’t warrant leave the bastard

In my experience though, a lot of posts like that often turn out to be the thin end of the wedge and there's often a significant back catalogue of twattish behaviour besides the minor/trivial reason for the OP posting.

And yes, there are some aggessive posters who just seem out for a fight, but i think there are more who can 'smell a rat' (often based on their own experience) and just want to help prevent other women putting up with rubbish treatment.

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/05/2024 19:02

9 times out of 10, it may be trivial but is part of a long term issue with selfishness, laziness etc and the trivial argument is just the tip of the iceburg.

9 times out of 10, 'he's lovely', 'he's a great husband' etc is usually followed by verbal abuse, selfishness and/or laziness.

Despite it being trotted out that MN'ers are quick to say LTB. I haven't seen it where I don't feel it is justified.

Myopicglass · 07/05/2024 19:01

I also think women rarely post after the first disagreement. It’s unlikely to be the first time he said/did something horrid.

A bit like a boiled frog the nastiness has crept up on her or like when an abused woman calls the police there has often been many more incidents that she hasn’t called about.

earther · 07/05/2024 19:01

MN is very too faced.
He cheats kick him out hes scum LTB.
She cheats MN tells her to keep her mouth shut and carry on as if shes done nothing wrong.
Makes me believe women cheat more than men.
And some posters dont see how abusive they sound.
But they are happy if its pay day and the CM is coming but its never enough for them.

BitOutOfPractice · 07/05/2024 19:00

Of course I don’t hate men. But the older I get the less time and patience I have for their bullshit, bad behaviour and all Other forms of misogyny and nonsense

missmollygreen · 07/05/2024 18:59

PossiblyNow · 07/05/2024 18:47

Frankly, the world would be a better place if the male partners of pretty much every poster on the Relationships board were instantly pulverised.

You know we only ever hear one side of the story, right?

Also I will do a classic mumsnet trope. Imagine if a man said that every female partner should be beaten to a pulp (pulverised) But its fine when its the other way round.

wincarwoo · 07/05/2024 18:59

Posts seem helpful to people who are in very difficult situations.

Others are just looking for a bit of solidarity.

The number of instances of truly awful men is worrying.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:58

Noicant · 07/05/2024 18:53

Yeah but sometimes it’s things like being called a cunt or a stupid fat bitch. To me that is abusive. I’ve had some blazing rows with my husband and we have never verbally abused each other. I’ve been in some truly shit relationships and been called all sorts of names and yes they would have all made for awful husbands who would have made me miserable.

Fully agree that is abusive, that’s not the posts I mean though. I tend not comment on posts where the op is clearly being abused, op will get one million comments to leave him, and rightly so, I only comment on those posts occasionally if it seems someone is saying she’s to blame, or if someone is being a twat to the op

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SpeedwellBlue · 07/05/2024 18:57

PurpleLampShades · 07/05/2024 18:56

Show me 5 threads where this has actually happened. An OP about a ‘trivial’ argument where every poster has advised the OP to leave.

Yes link to threads where this has happened.

Lorelaigilmore88 · 07/05/2024 18:57

Posters on this site are mainly women and a lot of us come on here for support because its an anonymous place we can rant and get support. Thats me right now, going through a divorce and yes right now I hate men. Soz.

Greywitch2 · 07/05/2024 18:56

Nope. I love men. Decent men.

So many posts on here, however, are from women who are clearly stuck in a relationship with someone who is making them utterly miserable and that it is a repeated pattern of dreadful behaviour from him.

We don't hate 'men'. We hate the behaviour.

ToveJanssonsWife · 07/05/2024 18:56

If posters are happy in their relationships they wouldn’t need to post here as much.

I’m happy to admit that I’d rather avoid most men, as once my eyes opened to the sexism and misogyny displayed by most men, even if it’s subtle, but hard to unsee.

Women are conditioned from a very young age to make way for boys then men, to put up with shit behaviour, to expect less from men as friends, partners, fathers. It’s a tale as old as time.

Many women are still comfortably propping that up and not seeing a problem with everyday sexism, for some women there’s an uncomfortable process of scales falling away from the eyes and you’ll never see men in the same way again.

PurpleLampShades · 07/05/2024 18:56

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:53

Of course it’s a good thing to protect each other, but what if you posted about a trivial argument, and everyone told you he was abusing you and said leave him? Some people would trust the online advice and leave the poor bloke for no real reason

Show me 5 threads where this has actually happened. An OP about a ‘trivial’ argument where every poster has advised the OP to leave.

Blueeyedmale · 07/05/2024 18:55

As a man I can't say I've got that impression from women on here,I've posted on quite a few emotive things and personally never got that.

I would say I'm probably more critical of men than a lot of women on here and I'm a Man myself.but just remember you might not agree with someone's opinions but that's just what they are opinions,everyone is entitled to have them,even if you don't agree with them.

This space covers a wide range of topics from parenting,to relationships,fiance,domestic violence and is predominantly female.so yes you will have a lot of posts about men,but I don't think women just are critical of men for the sake of it there is usually a very good reason for it.

SpeedwellBlue · 07/05/2024 18:55

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:52

Thankyou! It’s about 1 in 10000 women on here who don’t default to “ltb” on every post where it’s looking like a normal couple argument

It's better to comment on the actual post, otherwise we can't know whether you just have really low standards where men are concerned.
If someone posted that their dh moaned they didn't empty the hoover with no other info, no one would say he was a narcissist or that she should leave, although it's good that the poster was able to giggle away to herself, imagining they would.

Tanyahawkes · 07/05/2024 18:55

TipsyKoala · 07/05/2024 18:53

I agree that this does sometimes happen and the advice to ‘leave the bastard’ for the slightest thing is over the top, however most of the posts are indeed about absolute A-holes. I don’t hate men at all however I do find them quite irritating but I think that’s my age (I’m happily married btw).

Oh undeniably most of the posts are 1000% abuse, control etc, it’s not those posts I’m talking about, it’s the silly arguments that yes upset the poster, but don’t warrant leave the bastard

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