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The Conservatives are shameless in their exploitation of women

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AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 11:57

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/23/rishi-sunak-dementia-adviser-resigns-over-treatment-of-unpaid-carers

In the latest "crack down", carers are being prosecuted for fraud and asked to repay thousands over quite simple mistakes.

Carers are overwhelmingly women and are already being let down and unsupported by the government despite doing a very important job, and in the case of elderly and disabled care, saving the government a packet.

AIBU in thinking the Tories exploit women?

YABU - Yes, they exploit both sexes equally
YANBU - No, they are shameless

UK government dementia adviser resigns over prosecutions of unpaid carers

Johnny Timpson says he wants to ‘take a stand’ after revelations thousands of carers are being forced to pay huge fines

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/23/rishi-sunak-dementia-adviser-resigns-over-treatment-of-unpaid-carers

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JenniferBooth · 23/04/2024 13:44

No worriies @AdamRyan It gave me the oppertunity to share that again. Im sick of family carers being treated like shit I have already decided i wont be caring for my elderly mother

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AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 13:43

JenniferBooth · 23/04/2024 13:23

There are several threads running on MN at the moment about the carers allowance scandal and how family carers are treated. The NHS workers are conspicuous by their abscence. Its like tumbleweed. Yet post a thread about how can we improve the NHS and its like a klaxon has gone off and the health workers on here (not all of them but a good amount of them) are lining up to patient blame and moan about how families arent doing enough yet post a thread about how family carers are being treated re CA and they couldnt give less of a shit!
despite the support they got during the strikes. Would that be reciprocated if family carers went on strike?!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/5048517-to-bring-your-attention-to-the-carers-benefit-fraud-scandal?page=1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/chat/5045433-carers-allowance-and-benefit-fraud?reply=134540759

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/5049094-to-think-the-carers-allowance-scandal-shows-the-uncaringness-of-the-dwp#:~:text=The%20pressure%20on%20the%20prime,a%20few%20pounds%20a%20week. The threads are nowhere near as long as the NHS ones are either.

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Ah, sorry jennifer! I should have AS!

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HappyEater · 23/04/2024 13:41

It's an article in the news today. As we aren't near a GE, no I'm not electioneering. I am fed up of women being screwed over by the Tories.

Imagine how many posts a day we’ll be graced with when there has been an election called.

JenniferBooth · 23/04/2024 13:34

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 13:00

All the major political parties are shameless in their exploitation of women, they just do it in different ways.

Regarding carers allowance, it would work better if it had a taper rather than a hard cut off for income. However, the rules are very clear and anyone who has claimed while not being eligible should pay back what they owe.

Or the carers could "granny dump" like they sometimes do in the US They could start with taking them to A&E and Job Centres and leaving them there and saying "i cant do this any more"

paintingvenice · 23/04/2024 13:27

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:59

It's an article in the news today. As we aren't near a GE, no I'm not electioneering. I am fed up of women being screwed over by the Tories.

Oh give over. I was prepared to bite on this until this post. A GE may not have been called yet, but we all know one is imminent. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

Geebray · 23/04/2024 13:27

ilovesooty · 23/04/2024 13:13

What are you implying?

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You've clearly not met Adam before.

JenniferBooth · 23/04/2024 13:23

There are several threads running on MN at the moment about the carers allowance scandal and how family carers are treated. The NHS workers are conspicuous by their abscence. Its like tumbleweed. Yet post a thread about how can we improve the NHS and its like a klaxon has gone off and the health workers on here (not all of them but a good amount of them) are lining up to patient blame and moan about how families arent doing enough yet post a thread about how family carers are being treated re CA and they couldnt give less of a shit!
despite the support they got during the strikes. Would that be reciprocated if family carers went on strike?!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/5048517-to-bring-your-attention-to-the-carers-benefit-fraud-scandal?page=1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/chat/5045433-carers-allowance-and-benefit-fraud?reply=134540759

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/ami_being_unreasonable/5049094-to-think-the-carers-allowance-scandal-shows-the-uncaringness-of-the-dwp#:~:text=The%20pressure%20on%20the%20prime,a%20few%20pounds%20a%20week. The threads are nowhere near as long as the NHS ones are either.

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In a nutshell - if you get Carer's Allowance, you are supposed to only claim it if you earn below a certain amount. If you go over that amount, you ca...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5049094-to-think-the-carers-allowance-scandal-shows-the-uncaringness-of-the-dwp#:~:text=The%20pressure%20on%20the%20prime,a%20few%20pounds%20a%20week.

KimberleyClark · 23/04/2024 13:20

But at least they know what a woman is.

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/04/2024 13:18

pointythings · 23/04/2024 12:05

Right, so having 'views' is as bad as actions which throw people into debt. Nice to know where GC women set their priorities.

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The Tories' actions during lockdown threw millions into debt. Didn't hear much 'condemnation' then...

tennesseewhiskey1 · 23/04/2024 13:16

ahhh, this is the daily aren't the tories horrid, vote labour post - is it always by the same person, and, is this some misplaced labour social media tactic - mumsnet is famously already left-leaning!

ilovesooty · 23/04/2024 13:13

Geebray · 23/04/2024 13:12

I am fed up of women

I think we can stop it there, Adam.

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What are you implying?

Geebray · 23/04/2024 13:12

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:59

It's an article in the news today. As we aren't near a GE, no I'm not electioneering. I am fed up of women being screwed over by the Tories.

I am fed up of women

I think we can stop it there, Adam.

Geebray · 23/04/2024 13:11

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 13:06

Well this is bullshit given under previous Labour governments there was the same earnings limit for claiming carers allowance you are criticising the Tories for. It was £84 in 2006, for example.

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Ah, now some info! Thanks.

MississippiAF · 23/04/2024 13:08

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 13:06

Well this is bullshit given under previous Labour governments there was the same earnings limit for claiming carers allowance you are criticising the Tories for. It was £84 in 2006, for example.

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Will be interesting to see if all these overpayments are just waived when Labour get in…

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 13:06

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:59

It's an article in the news today. As we aren't near a GE, no I'm not electioneering. I am fed up of women being screwed over by the Tories.

Well this is bullshit given under previous Labour governments there was the same earnings limit for claiming carers allowance you are criticising the Tories for. It was £84 in 2006, for example.

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 13:00

All the major political parties are shameless in their exploitation of women, they just do it in different ways.

Regarding carers allowance, it would work better if it had a taper rather than a hard cut off for income. However, the rules are very clear and anyone who has claimed while not being eligible should pay back what they owe.

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AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:59

It's an article in the news today. As we aren't near a GE, no I'm not electioneering. I am fed up of women being screwed over by the Tories.

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MississippiAF · 23/04/2024 12:58

The daily Adam post, while simultaneously pretending they’ve only just recently joined Labour….

EggcornAcorn · 23/04/2024 12:57

GoodOldEmmaNess · 23/04/2024 12:54

Is this thread just for the purpose of electioneering? You seem to be pushing, across several threads, the idea that the tories are even worse than labour when it comes to women's rights. It may very well be true to say that they are, but you are starting to sound like a Labour hack that has been sent here to get the laydees onside.

I had wondered similar, Emma.

There was a Brexit poster a few years ago (can't quite recall the username) who was a one trick pony, we all soon started to ignore them.

DaniMontyRae · 23/04/2024 12:56

pointythings · 23/04/2024 12:05

Right, so having 'views' is as bad as actions which throw people into debt. Nice to know where GC women set their priorities.

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Well those 'views' lead to the action of placing men who rape/sexually assault women into woman's prisons and lead to more women being sexually assaulted. IMO that is far worse than debt. Nice to know where your priorities lie.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 23/04/2024 12:54

Is this thread just for the purpose of electioneering? You seem to be pushing, across several threads, the idea that the tories are even worse than labour when it comes to women's rights. It may very well be true to say that they are, but you are starting to sound like a Labour hack that has been sent here to get the laydees onside.

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:53

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:46

What do "the rules" have to do with the Conservative government policy to crackdown on over payments amd pursue vulnerable people for thousands of pounds they may have received by mistake?

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Why are you so unwilling to find out who made the rules?

I'll try and look it up. I assumed, as you were shouting about the Tories, that this was an obviously Tory rule change.

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AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:46

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:20

OK. I'll try again. Have the rules changed since Labour was in? Vis a vis carers?

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What do "the rules" have to do with the Conservative government policy to crackdown on over payments amd pursue vulnerable people for thousands of pounds they may have received by mistake?

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Hateam · 23/04/2024 12:25

CantBelieveNaive · 23/04/2024 12:00

Am sick of pale, stale and male thinking!
Let's all start again with women ruling as they listen more, collaborate more and are more educated/intelligent without being full of themselves.
Is it just me?? 😜

What an appalling ageist, sexist and racist comment.

Not to mention a bit stupid as Rushi is young ( for a PM) and, and I could be wrong, not exactly pale.

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:20

AdamRyan · 23/04/2024 12:16

What? Labour aren't in? This is conservative policy Confused

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OK. I'll try again. Have the rules changed since Labour was in? Vis a vis carers?