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Given friend a strong warning regarding a new bf & CSA accusation....

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BlessedKali · 31/03/2024 21:17

Hi all,

A very good friend of mine is a single mum to a two year old girl. She met a man two months ago who she thinks is absolutely amazing, and has been really 'healing' since the very toxic father of her baby.

I went to see her recently and asked her about her new man. As we're good friends, we got straight into it, and she told me about this rather, in my eyes, RED FLAG.

So she tells me that he was accused by his brother and brother's wife of sexual assault of their daughter (his neice). There was a case, but he was never found guilty. Case was dropped, etc.

When my friend told me that I clapped my hand to my mouth and couldn't really hold back on a rather strong reaction. Think along of the lines of:

''oooohhh no!!! what a red flag!!! how could you ever trust him with your daughter... etc etc''

I didn't tell her what to do, or shame her in any way, but I did very strongly explain that this is a red flag and I wouldn't tak the risk with my child.

Now, she believes his story, for various reasons - like, they found no evidence on any of his tech devices, and the whole family is on his side (although she can only know this from his own word. Also the fact her told her almost straight away made her feel he was honest.

Claire's law can't be used, as he is from a euro country.

I think I've scared my friend and now she is very upset coming to terms with having to end what she thought was going to be a lovely relationship.

Was I wrong to have warned her so strongly? I'm kinda feeling bad to see her so upset.

I can't really discuss this with actual friends as it is confidential to her, so I'm asking mumsnet what they think.

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 11:23

Thanks everyone ( apart from troll hunters!)

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Chatonette · 02/04/2024 11:47

Your friend should take notice and learn lessons from when this has happened in the past to other girlfriends. A man assaulted his girlfriend’s 4 year old because he was allowed in their home. He should not be allowed in your friend’s home—it is HER responsibility to keep pedophiles out of her home.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mum-feels-sick-time-after-15137336

Mum 'feels sick all the time' after Cov man raped little girl

Connor Marshall was arrested over another rape allegation and had been released on bail when he raped the little girl

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/mum-feels-sick-time-after-15137336

Italianita · 02/04/2024 11:52

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 11:58

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I understand the SS comments come from a place of wanting to protect a child, but yes a bit heavy handed.

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 12:06

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I suppose it's irrelevant whether he did it or not, but the accusation exists - that's a non-negotiable fact, and so therefore the red flag exists.

With this red flag present, how does a single mother proceed, if at all.

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CammyChameleon · 02/04/2024 12:12

It's good that your friend had you to run this by. I don't think suggestions of reporting to SS and saying stuff along the lines of "only an idiot/fanny..." etc is particularly helpful.

When you've been an abuse victim, it can be hard to trust your judgement of people, because you trusted it with that person.

Idk what your friend's ex did to control her, but I'd imagine that if you've been lied about (or been threatened with it) in order to control, isolate or hurt you, then it's probably easy to believe that someone else has had someone lie that they are a paedophile just to hurt them.

KreedKafer · 02/04/2024 12:18

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'Not guilty' means that they didn't have enough evidence to convict him.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the allegations were disproved. Certainly in some cases it does, but often it doesn't.

We have no idea whether the man in this case abused his niece or not. Clearly, it's perfectly possible that he did nothing of the sort, and I feel incredibly sorry for him if that's the case. But it's equally possible that he is indeed a paedophile, and I personally wouldn't take the risk unless I'd seen very, very compelling evidence that he could not have done what he was accused of. I think if you are the parent of a toddler you are pretty much required to err on the side of caution in a situation like this, and it would pretty negligent to take a punt on him being harmless.

Italianita · 02/04/2024 12:21

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Nanny0gg · 02/04/2024 12:26

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That he'd been accused in the first place?

And as we don't know the country he's from we have no idea how their legal system works

BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 12:32

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No, I haven't met him. But I also think that's irrelevant, even if I met him and believed him or thought he was trustworthy I still wouldn't 100% trust my impression. In that past I've met people who I felt really strongly were good people, who I really trusted, only to have them drop the mask. Manipulators can be so good we can't tell, and we are all vulnerable to it - no one has xray vision to be able to truly know how a new person is.

I just think when it comes to children there needs to be more caution as the risk is so great.

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bellezarara · 02/04/2024 12:34

He's hiding in plain sight. It's terrifying that women still believe predatory men.

BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 12:36

Interestingly I just read 'protecting the gift' by Gavin De becker, which i think if all parents read it would significantly reduce the rate of CSA.

He says when you have children, 'make slow choices about the people you include in your child's life, and fast choices about the people you exclude'

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Italianita · 02/04/2024 12:36

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 12:38

bellezarara · 02/04/2024 12:34

He's hiding in plain sight. It's terrifying that women still believe predatory men.

I don't think assupmtions like this are necessarily helpful, because although this could be the case, it could also be the case that he is innocent. And if a woman believes he is innocent, then the advice gets lost. I think it's better to acknowlege you can never know, but the red flag is undeniable, and do you take that risk.

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bellezarara · 02/04/2024 12:41

The chances of a brother reporting his brother for child sexual abuse that didn't happen is negligible.

Coupled with this man leaving his home country and getting with a single woman with a 2yo and telling her about the abuse claims has all the hallmarks of grooming. She will spend all her time proving to him that she believes him rather than looking for more red flags.

BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 12:48

bellezarara · 02/04/2024 12:41

The chances of a brother reporting his brother for child sexual abuse that didn't happen is negligible.

Coupled with this man leaving his home country and getting with a single woman with a 2yo and telling her about the abuse claims has all the hallmarks of grooming. She will spend all her time proving to him that she believes him rather than looking for more red flags.

I believe the story is that 'his brothers wife made the accusation, she is narcisstic and destructive, res of family support the accused, and it's caused a rift'

I really have no opinion on it, could be true, could be not true. No way of ever actually knowing so that aspect is irrelevant.

However I do agree there are multiple red flags around whole situation.

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I very much appreciate this space to talk, thank you.

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Italianita · 02/04/2024 12:51

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 12:55

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Are you from italy? do you know much about the italian court system invovled in CSA cases? it could be very relevant to this.....

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Italianita · 02/04/2024 12:57

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BlessedKali · 02/04/2024 13:00

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Well yes, that's what I think too, and there are other things that make him seem believable. I think though, if I had to put a £1000 bet on the sitatuion with regards to what I know, i might bet that he is innocent. Worst cae scenario is i lose the money.

But when it comes to children, I just wouldn't place the bet. Not worth being wrong.

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Lastarse · 02/04/2024 13:01

@Italianita point is, as a mother of a young girl she has a responsibility & a priority to look after her kid. Forget if he was innocent/guilty - she can’t take the risk, as a mum she has to prioritise her child.
i also find the fact he told her more worrying - testing her boundaries immediately.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 02/04/2024 13:01

So I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle because I do know someone who has been falsely accused of SA their child. There's been several years of the mother causing trouble one way or another. The child has previously been removed from the mother due to her moving her drug addict partner in with them, at which point the dad had his kid full time for a while but once the addict moved out it was decided the mum could have her back. There's been lots of her refusing contact and she has moved address and not told him. She not bothered taking the child to school for extended periods. Claimed the child isn't his. And now her latest trick is to claim he's sexually abused his daughter which has resulted in him not being able to see her for months now while the police investigate. She has also been in the papers a few times making over the top claims about discrimination and mistreatment from shops and restaurants. The woman is totally toxic, and toxic people do make stuff like this up. It's just a weapon to them.

If she's not going to dump him immediately, I'd try finding out more about the sister. My friend's ex was widely known to be an awful human being and a compulsive lier before she made the accusation.

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