Pronouns at work

Haha. Did you get lost on the way to the Handmaiden board?

Redface get a grip!!

Perfectly acceptable email sign offs :

Liz Windsor

Elizabeth Windsor

e Windsor

l Windsor

Mrs E Windsor

mrs l Windsor

but ….

liz Windsor (she / her) ——— no - just no!!!!!!!

Well those poor students are going to be learning shockingly bad grammar from you!
Thanks God I’m not expected to do this at work.

Put Goddess. You are too important to be called Her or She and must be referred to only as My Lady or Her Magnificent Royal Goddess, at all times.

As above, your HR team are out of date with current case law.

But I think this is such a horrible area for people to navigate. By HR mandating something that’s clearly non-enforceable they make people take a hard-line stance when they are otherwise probably very tolerant people.

It’s irrelevant what is written in a contract if it’s contrary to UK law, surely?

Because as someone mentioned earlier if they are an international student it's hard to identify their possible gender from their name so using they/them is easier. I just continue to use this with all the students. It's not pandering.

Why? This is just pandering. It makes no sense grammatically and normalises gender ideology . I’m a teacher and I would not do this. If a pupil has requested certain pronouns (less these days than a few tests ago) I will respect that but avoid using them if I can as I don’t believe in it.

Haha!!

Respond with

"Of course, my pronouns are CEO, CFO, Managing Director, HR Lead, BOSS"

But at the same time, I work in education and am very mindful of always referring to students as they/them in emails etc,

I was in a large face to face meeting today where everyone in the group had to introduce themselves to the whole group. Only me and another gen x'er didn't start off with 'hi I'm <insert name> and my pronouns are <insert preference>. I just said hiya I'm <> and I work in the team. I just didn't think it was relevant. I don't really care if anyone refers to me as he/him. I also don't particularly want to conform to this way of introducing myself either, it's not me being authentic. I also probably accept I am deeply showing my middle aged ignorance or privilege maybe.

The last email like that I sent, I used the person's name throughout. Our IT service desk use "the user" instead of name and pronouns, or else use the name.

The type of information I'd be conveying and explaining is a little more complex than that @FUPAgirl. Not a case of simply forwarding an email.

'Hi team

Please see below email. As you can see, the deadline is XXX.

Thanks
Boss'

Absolutely no chance I'd do this. I've only been asked once and I told them that I was offended that they'd ask, when I'm so obviously a woman!
Asking someone to out themselves as a woman in an email, feels very discriminatory anyway. Why should our sexes matter in a work environment?

They are not being inclusive towards you and discriminating against you and women as a sex.

Understood. However I would say in my experience discrimination occurs on many grounds - whether they be defined in the Equality Act or otherwise.

I fear I'm going off (the original) topic, but whilst ANY discriminatory behaviour needs to be addressed and curtailed, unless employees simply start identifying themselves as numbers or shapes, discrimination will always occur. Even then i'm sure we'd find Evenly numbered employees discriminating against the Odds! And don't get me started on the Oblong Employees... they're all the same!

Hi folks, I'm confused about the relevance of women wanting to protect themselves and the use of pronouns???

Women are often discriminated against at work. Drawing attention to the fact that we are female is likely to increase that discrimination.

They will have fun with that at employment tribunal if they fire you I bet you’d get a payout.

Hi folks, I'm confused about the relevance of women wanting to protect themselves and the use of pronouns??? 🤔

Anyhow, whilst I agree your employer cannot force you to comply, it might be worth checking what you've signed up for in your contract! It would however be interesting to know if your employer has pursued against against you; and under what grounds.

At the juncture, I'd suggest hearing them out. Keep the post updated please.

I would not like this. My name identifies my gender. I think it should be a personal choice. I have absolutely nothing against people choosing to do this on emails or work badges but I don't agree with anyone being forced to do so.

World's going bonkers.

I'm sure there will be others at your work who won't want to do it. I would just not add them and ignore any reminders.