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To draw your attention to Mr Bates vs The Post Office

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5foot5 · 01/01/2024 22:27

There is already a thread about this on the Telly Addicts forum here

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4970440-mr-bates-vs-the-post-office-mon-to-thur-itv-9pm-tv-pace-no-spoilers

However this seems like such an important subject that I thought I would draw attention to it on AIBU.

The first episode aired tonight but the whole series is available on itvx.

Most of you will no doubt have heard about the Horizon scandal, but whether you have or you haven't this program is compelling. It will probably make you furious but it deserves as wide an audience as possible.,

MR BATES VS THE POST OFFICE - mon to thur ITV 9pm - tv pace no spoilers | Mumsnet

Mon to thur  Mr Bates vs The Post Office is an ITV drama based on a true story of injustice starring Toby Jones, Julie Hesmondhalgh, WIll Mello...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4970440-mr-bates-vs-the-post-office-mon-to-thur-itv-9pm-tv-pace-no-spoilers

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DuncinToffee · 09/04/2024 11:44

On a lighter note, this were the youtube subtitles when Bates was sworn in

To draw your attention to Mr Bates vs The Post Office
PerkingFaintly · 09/04/2024 11:30

Alan Bates is a god of paper-trail laying.

DuncinToffee · 09/04/2024 11:19

I am dipping in and out, they made 507 calls to the Horizon helpline Shock

PerkingFaintly · 09/04/2024 11:12

And he's putting it all down in writing and sending it to the Post Office. So they can't claim they don't know. In 2002.

PerkingFaintly · 09/04/2024 11:10

Alan Bates was clearly the Post Office's worst nightmare, even back in 2002.

He's confident with the technology, and meticulous in his detailing of what was happening.

PerkingFaintly · 09/04/2024 11:07

My god. I'm minutes in and it's already damning evidence.Shock

PerkingFaintly · 09/04/2024 11:04

Thanks, Duncin, watching now.

DuncinToffee · 09/04/2024 09:31

TheLogicalSong · 29/03/2024 11:49

The Inquiry will reconvene on 9th April (link for anyone new to thread https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/hearings )

The Inquiry continues today, Alan Bates to give evidence

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 21:03

It really isn't. It happens over and over and over again with a quick and meaningless 'lessons will be learned'. They aren't and these abominations of people are put in roles they really shouldn't be.

Vennells being a christian minister of some sort is the icing on the cake. Aren't religions supposed to do their best for people?

DanielGault · 29/03/2024 15:30

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 15:25

I couldn't do that to another person, I have something in me that tells me it would be a horrific and unjustifiable thing to do. So called reputation doesn't come into it.

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But reputation can in some circumstances be something you can never get back. No smoke etc. what they did to those people was beyond despicable. What your personal morals are don't come into it unfortunately. These people have been hung out to dry, in front of society as a whole (not all of whom will have your values unfortunately). The whole situation is almost beyond belief tbh.

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 15:25

DanielGault · 29/03/2024 15:12

That wouldn't mean too much to you if it was your reputation under a cloud for god knows how long though. 'Eventually' really isn't worth much at all that way .

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I couldn't do that to another person, I have something in me that tells me it would be a horrific and unjustifiable thing to do. So called reputation doesn't come into it.

Projectme · 29/03/2024 15:23

newnamethanks · 29/03/2024 10:41

Every time I think I've heard the worst about this corrupt and deceitful organisation, along comes something worse. So much blatantly illegal activity covered up and lied about. The number of ruined lives! I haven't got adequate words.

I have the same thoughts too.

Just when you think it couldn't possibly get worse, it does!!!

DanielGault · 29/03/2024 15:12

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 15:07

But it was obvious that it would all come out at some point. Same as all the hospital and every other cover up. They come out and cost far much more in compensation and reputation. It's utterly pointless.

That wouldn't mean too much to you if it was your reputation under a cloud for god knows how long though. 'Eventually' really isn't worth much at all that way .

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 15:07

But it was obvious that it would all come out at some point. Same as all the hospital and every other cover up. They come out and cost far much more in compensation and reputation. It's utterly pointless.

ItsBeenRaining · 29/03/2024 14:26

There will be people who have had nearly 30 years of this injustice ruining their lives whilst those who knew and said nothing led a charmed life, I wonder if any of them have any kind of concience.

Justice should be served, it is time, and I bet there will still be lies being uncovered in 10/20 years time about the coruptness of this scandal., it should be left open for further revelations.

DanielGault · 29/03/2024 14:07

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 11:20

How many are there that didn't fight against it and just kept their heads down until they were ruined financially and mentally? I still don't get the whole cover up, just why?

From my understanding (as an unconnected layperson) PO and Fujitsu did what they wanted, and protected their own arses. To the absolute detriment of the postmasters.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 29/03/2024 14:03

My God, the deeper you dig into this scandal, the uglier and dirtier it gets.

TheLogicalSong · 29/03/2024 11:49

The Inquiry will reconvene on 9th April (link for anyone new to thread https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/hearings )

chaosmaker · 29/03/2024 11:20

How many are there that didn't fight against it and just kept their heads down until they were ruined financially and mentally? I still don't get the whole cover up, just why?

newnamethanks · 29/03/2024 10:41

Every time I think I've heard the worst about this corrupt and deceitful organisation, along comes something worse. So much blatantly illegal activity covered up and lied about. The number of ruined lives! I haven't got adequate words.

Anisette · 29/03/2024 10:32

I really think it's time the Solicitors' Regulation Agency got off its arse and started looking at what the hell the lawyers were doing. They have an overriding duty to the court to make full disclosure, yet they seem to have closed their eyes to the Deloitte's report and pretended to the courts that it didn't exist.

DuncinToffee · 29/03/2024 09:49

Former sub-postmasters and politicians have called for the Post Office to face a police investigation after BBC News revealed the company knew of flaws in its Horizon IT system.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691257

A Post Office sign

Post Office: Former sub-postmasters and politicians call for police inquiry

Former sub-postmaster and politicians say evidence uncovered by the BBC should prompt criminal inquiry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68691257

DuncinToffee · 29/03/2024 09:48

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68663750

A draft report uncovered by the BBC shows the Post Office spent £100m fighting sub-postmasters in court despite knowing its defence was untrue.

The document reveals the Post Office was shown evidence by 2017 that losses could be due to errors in the Horizon IT system or remote tampering.

But it kept arguing in the Bates v Post Office Ltd case that theft or mistakes by sub-postmasters must be to blame.

Montage showing Joan Bailey

Secret papers reveal Post Office knew its court defence was false

A draft report seen by the BBC confirms the Post Office knew of IT vulnerabilities before Bates v Post Office case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68663750

ItsBeenRaining · 02/03/2024 17:58

Paul2023 · 02/03/2024 17:51

I’m not convinced anyone will ultimately go to prison for this . Or even personally pay anything.
The very people who knowingly watched people being handcuffed and sent to prison.

I think this will go on and there will be some sort of settlement. But it’s not real justice for the victims is it ?

Tey're all a bunch of lying, cheating bastards, and many of these people govern over us.

It appears there is no one of integrity who has the balls to stand up for the victims and rectify this injustice.

Peple passing the blame or not having the courage to help, just a load of bleeting sheep.

Paul2023 · 02/03/2024 17:51

I’m not convinced anyone will ultimately go to prison for this . Or even personally pay anything.
The very people who knowingly watched people being handcuffed and sent to prison.

I think this will go on and there will be some sort of settlement. But it’s not real justice for the victims is it ?

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