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To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/08/2023 21:15

The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

  1. Sex education and
  2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

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PurpleMonkeys · 29/08/2023 23:08

Nope. The left let this happen under the guise of being nice and being kind and blah blah blah.

Chersfrozenface · 29/08/2023 23:07

The Gender Recognition Act 2004 was passed when Labour had a massive majority.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/08/2023 23:06

smilesup · 29/08/2023 23:05

I'm a terf and proud of it. The Tories have just pretended to give a shit because it's an easy vote winner. They've had 13 whole years to sort it out but conveniently have left it to as an election piece as they have fucked up everything else. The economy is destroyed. The NHS in pieces. Most people other than the top 10% are worse off. House prices off the scale. Anyone voting for this is a gullible fool.

That's what I was thinking seems to be happening now

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smilesup · 29/08/2023 23:06

Ps be warned there are loads of Tory Stooges on here. The right wing are very very good on social media. (reference: Brexit)

smilesup · 29/08/2023 23:05

I'm a terf and proud of it. The Tories have just pretended to give a shit because it's an easy vote winner. They've had 13 whole years to sort it out but conveniently have left it to as an election piece as they have fucked up everything else. The economy is destroyed. The NHS in pieces. Most people other than the top 10% are worse off. House prices off the scale. Anyone voting for this is a gullible fool.

WallaceinAnderland · 29/08/2023 23:04

I agree that's more important, but to me it's not more important than climate change or health etc so I wouldn't let this one issue of sex and gender be how I decide my voting

Vote how you want OP. It's good that you are questioning this and finding out a bit more. For me, womens rights are so important because if we don't have them, nothing else matters.

Look at the women living in Afghanistan at the moment. Would you be happy living as they do if you had a wonderful health system and big investment in climate science?

Or would you sacrifice that in order to be allowed to vote, to go to school, to drive a car, to go to the park unchaperoned by a male family member or just to be able to wear your own choice of clothes?

I think women in the western world have got so used to having rights that they are taking them for granted. It wasn't until 1991 marital rape became illegal in the UK. Not really that long ago. I'm not giving away my rights and that's why this is a fundamental issue for me. The other stuff is important too but I'm just prioritising.

If all the parties could stop trying to make laws around make believe and treat the protected characteristic of sex as seriously as it deserves then, as others have said, we can put this behind us and focus on the other important issues.

Everyone understands that if you don't see colour, you don't see racism.

Well the same applies here - if you don't see sex, you don't see sexism.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/08/2023 23:02

YANBU OP. The Tories inflicted thos shit on us, now they're pretending they didn't in order to con people into voting for them.

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2023 22:59

Dacre led Mail even!

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2023 22:59

It's irrelevant to me what Rupert Murdoch says about it.

Sibling transitioned in 2007. I think I had views on the subject sometime before it crossed the minds of the Murdoch Press or the Sacred led Fail.

Theunamedcat · 29/08/2023 22:58

They didn't create it but they are exploiting it and yes it directly affects me my son has long hair the amount of times people have "gently" suggested to me his anxiety is because he is trans or are you SURE he isnt struggling with his identity the kid is autistic he struggles with people his hair hides him from people keeps him "safe" that's it no pink feelings no closet dress buying he is in fact one of the most black and white thinkers I've ever met he knows who and what he is he is baffled by people who don't in the current climate doctors don't know how to classify him

The current climate sucks for children presenting outside of "gender norms"

I really don't want to vote tories but I cannot vote Labour or green or lib dem first time ever I can't vote for anyone

ChatBFP · 29/08/2023 22:53

I think others have told you why it matters to us. You are obviously welcome to disagree that it is important, or as important as your other causes.

Many of us, aside from thinking that women and children matter, see this also as a bit of an issue of critical thinking and leadership. Theresa May was sold on "be kind" and didn't do enough thinking before allowing all this through, but Rishi sunak is trying to row back, because he has recognised the damage done.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party didn't listen to people and still refuses to totally get off the fence and set out its ideas clearly on this issue - if you can't understand the issues and articulate what policy should be, why should you be trusted? The Labour Party have oodles of time on their hands right now - they have zero burden of governing - and most of them still haven't managed to do the reading and inform themselves. It's a bit pitiful really.

And yes, I think that the stonewall lobby are the ones who have exploited the idea that you must be a right wing bigot to not support TWAW.

Many of us are really agitated about this because we'd love to vote for a party that was more compassionate than the tories and didn't hate us so much. It's irrelevant to me what Rupert Murdoch says about it.

Boomboom22 · 29/08/2023 22:47

Can someone link the it never hapoen thread and break it down for me the new one for op?

MrsColinRobinson · 29/08/2023 22:46

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/08/2023 21:33

thing is @napody tories wouldn’t be able to exploit if every other political party weren’t being such mealy mouth fuckwits insisting that it’s just sooooo hard to say what a woman is. They know, they all know but they think women’s rights are less important than keeping shouty men happy

This!

Tyntesfield · 29/08/2023 22:43

Look at how Labour have addressed any issues raised in relation to gender identity.

They've said things which aren't true, they've refused to listen to criticism, they've suppressed debate, and they haven't even protected their own MPs from being bullied for dissenting.

So why should I assume that their policy on the climate or education will actually be evidence-based, and coherent, and open to review if necessary?

It's not some random side-issue, it's about fundamental credibility.

WallaceinAnderland · 29/08/2023 22:41

It's also shocking that people aren't bothered by an issue unless it affects them directly. I would have thought that most intelligent adults can be concerned about issues that they don't experience in real life.

People generally seem to be able to be supportive of asylum seekers and migrants even though they are likely to ever be in that situation. Why is it so hard to understand what it's like for a woman having to share a cell with a man? All the things discussed are not made up OP. There is so much that you probably don't know because you haven't been interested enough to find out why this is such an important issue for women.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/08/2023 22:39

FOJN · 29/08/2023 22:26

The issues you describe - I think they're evey important but to me not more important than climate change or education or health funding - but no one is taking about those (which the tories are failing at) as the gender stuff is so constantly in the headlines scaring parents into thinking that only the tories can save their child from identifying as a cat

Well they may have been late to the party but the Conservatives did undertake the Cass review which resulted in the Tavistock Clinic being closed because it was failing young people. Sadly it was too late for those who have already undergone irreversible treatment that has no scientific basis to support it. Young people who have been sterilised and will suffer lifelong health problems as a result of experimental treatment but yes we're all just concerned about children identifying as cats.

As someone else said if you are not worried about this then you haven't been paying attention and you clearly have not been paying attention as demonstrated by the multiple examples of your ignorance on this thread.

Yup - I'm definitely ignorant about this and haven't made up my mind- that's why I'm asking for everyone's views!

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/08/2023 22:38

Lantyslee · 29/08/2023 22:18

The gender stuff is so constantly in the headlines scaring parents into thinking that only the tories can save their child from identifying as a cat @Unexpectedlysinglemum you show an astonishing lack of compassion for the parents and vulnerable young people who are actually affected by this.

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Sorry to have come across that way and really sorry for what your child is going through I understand this is an issue that really impacts you and your family and especially autistic children are very vulnerable here.

I guess my op and question was going on dinner party chat recently with parents of children who aren't particularly at risk, oans aren't experiencing this, who are using phrases like 'identify as a cat' to make fun of the left wing and woke and I guess it seems like this is maybe a way of keeping the status quo and right wing in power - hence me asking for opinions about whether this is going on.

I haven't made up my mind at all that's why I opened up the floor here too hear other views.

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molotovcupcakes · 29/08/2023 22:34

It was Teresa May who planned to introduce self ID for trans people, it is only recently that the Tories have caught up with public opinion on women’s rights.

Yes the Tories are second rate and need replacing but I can’t see Kier Starmer solving all our problems either frankly.

All the social movements of the 70’s have been eroded. Feminism got watered down by obsessing about sex work and then supporting intersectional Left wing causes, now allowing men into women’s spaces and wanting to erase the word women.

Same with Labour- it’s become the natural choice for the upper class bourgeois now, they don’t care about free speech they care about are capitalist banks and support social justice causes on an international level but are not interested in the working classes, they are an afterthought.

anyolddinosaur · 29/08/2023 22:34

My mentally ill young relative who has ruined their health by transitioning was not encouraged to do so by tories. I dont know about their trans partner whose health is even worse (unable to work full time) but strongly suspect they fell into the clutches of Mermaids and the Tavistock too. They are same sex and could have lived happily - and healthily - together as gay young people.

You clearly have not seen the homophobia demonstrated in the case brought by Mermaids against the LGB alliance. You happily ignore the CASS report saying that many young people are being inappropriately encouraged to transition.

This is "transing away the gay" - homophobia and mysogyny - denying women's safety and privacy.

I have zero patience with those who support the harming of children. The tories are exploiting the legitmate concerns of parents and relatives while other parties still try to pretend this is not happening.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/08/2023 22:34

The Tories are responsible for the Trans shitshow in the UK, now they're pretending it has nothing to do with them.

They put male rapists in women's prisons.
Johnson and Sunak have flip flopped over what a woman is.
They've been putting TWAW believers at the head of Education for years. Our current Sec of State for Education can't define the word "girl".
The only trans MP is a Tory MP.

It's the Tory party's fault. Pay no attention to their lies now.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 29/08/2023 22:33

I’ve seen Tories blamed for a lot but this is a new one.

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RedToothBrush · 29/08/2023 22:33

If intimidation and misrepresentation of the law can be used in other areas like the way Stonewall has attempted this, often to silence criticism, what do you think the implications are?

It's not going to stop at this issue.

It therefore is about every issue. Transparency and accountability are at the heart of good governance and democracy.

Then there's the women's rights and dignity issues

Then there is a the medical ethics and research issues, which particularly affect vulnerable groups - young people generally, gay and lesbians, autistic people and those with underlying mental health issues.

Then there's the implications for religious groups.

Then there's the implications for safety.

Then there's the implications of no listening to the importance of sex for the benefit of any one trans themselves. If they insist they are female when they are male there are risks to their health. And for females who insist they are male. Facilitating a delusion on this and not allowing anyone to ask the right questions for fear of offending is dangerous.

Then there's the implications of word salad making it harder for those with learning issues or lack of English to understand important health messages.

Then there's the social contagion issue amongst young girls - and the fact that those who are transitioning seem to have particularly high rates of having been abused in the past - thus hiding other important issues.

Then theres the lack of trust and fear which will lead to women self excluding from various things in daily life for various reasons.

Then there's the implications for women's sport. Keeping in mind that sometimes this can involve financial opportunities for women.

Then there's the political representation of women and their issues. If you think that a male will prioritise maternity issues and explain the physical effect of birth trauma on them, you need your head read. These type of issues will fall further down the agenda than they already are.

Then there's the impact on lesbians. Homosexuality is about sex. It is not homogenderism. If someone with a penis is defined as a lesbian this destroys the protects of lesbians in law. It makes it harder for them to be out in public without harassment or abuse. Males trying to get into the knickers of lesbians is an abusive homophobic action. Lesbians should be able to exclude them from dating without fear.

NONE of this is Transphobic. These are the unintended byproduct of ill thought out ideas by idiot politicians who have supported the deliberate attempts of Stonewall to support Men's Rights Activism at the expense of others.

ALL political parties need to address these issues and find solutions to these issues. Not just tell women to shut up and put up.

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/08/2023 22:31

BlackForestCake · 29/08/2023 22:12

It's the other way around. The issue has been hyped by liberals to distract from the fact that they are going to do nothing to improve ordinary people's lives. They need the culture war more than the Tories do.

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