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To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/08/2023 21:15

The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

  1. Sex education and
  2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

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SayingwhatIreallythink · 31/08/2023 03:43

have Labour really dropped it though? Keir and Annalise may have, but if Keir ever gets replaced then it will be firmly back on the table. None of the next layer down in Labour are going to backtrack from TWAW

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 23:32

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/08/2023 19:15

@TooBigForMyBoots

The Tories don't give a shit about this issue. They aren't fixing it now. They won't fix it in the future. People need to stop drinking the Tory Kool Aid.

Yes, the Tories are cyncially standing next to the fire with a bucket of water going "oooo, will we, won't we, ooo we're going to put it out any minute, look we almost put it out, any minute now, just you wait...."

But Lab/Green/Lib Dem/SNP are enthusiastically running towards the fire with a bucket of petrol.

Seriously, what do you expect us to do? Vote for parties who are publically committing to fuck us over because at least they are more honest than the one who will probably fuck us over but doesn't want to say?

Not quite. Labour have dropped Self ID. And the Tories are fucking us over now. Not only that, they're continuing to fuck over our school children and educators by refusing to issue guidance such is the level of their unwillingness/incompetence.Angry

Hopefully this trans shitshow will die with the disastrous Tory government who facilitated it.

If you find my posts boring, feel free to skim past @FOJN.

HoliHormonalTigerLillyTheSecond · 30/08/2023 20:35

I'm gender critical.
I will be voting Tory OVER MY DEAD BODY!

FOJN · 30/08/2023 20:27

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 20:08

But as the posters here are saying, it's not their fault cos Canada doesn't have a Welsh Labour Party and its happening there. Just as its not the SNP's fault in Scotland or the Tories' fault in England.Hmm

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Talk about missing the point....

We're working with what we have not what we would like. None of those parties have covered themselves in glory wrt women's rights. Many of us are politically homeless not fucking delighted that the Tories are capitalising on this. Your entire reason for posting seems to be to tell us how awful the Tories are, FFS we know, and that we're all stupid. We've got it, now it's just boring.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 20:08

RandomButtons · 30/08/2023 17:51

Please take a look at what’s happening in Wales and you’ll see Labour are worse.

But as the posters here are saying, it's not their fault cos Canada doesn't have a Welsh Labour Party and its happening there. Just as its not the SNP's fault in Scotland or the Tories' fault in England.Hmm

StefanosHill · 30/08/2023 19:50

FOJN · 30/08/2023 19:42

Not saying it’s impossible but what would the mechanism be, maybe biological sex in EqA or are there other ways?

There is a campaign to clarify "sex" in the EA. There was a petition and Westminster Hall debate which you may be able to find on YouTube.

More information here:

https://sex-matters.org/resources/equality-act-faqs/

The women in Ireland are now pushing back against self ID, their struggle will be harder because the law is already past. It was achieved by quietly sneaking self ID through at the same time as same sex marriage which had widespread public support but there was little public debate about self ID so most people did not know it was happening. The Denton Report details the global strategy to implement self ID.

Link to that document on his web page here:

https://somethingtosay.london/uncategorized/the-role-of-large-institutions-in-advocating-gender-identity-ideology-dentons-and-its-report-advocating-gender-transitioning-of-children/

The Scandinavian countries are reversing on medical transition for children because there is no evidence to prove benefit but plenty to prove harm.

Canada is lost and America continues full steam ahead but some individual states are passing laws to restrict medical intervention for children. People are waking up to it there and there is an increasing number of groups campaigning on different aspects of gender ideology.

Women and some men in other countries are also campaigning against this ideology but as I said it's been decades in the making and I think it will take at least a decade to return (if that's even possible) to where we were before the madness began and that's in the UK where the campaigning has been strong and (eventually) effective.

Thanks for this. I have known some of this, including the WM debate but it’s really good to see a summary in a post

It’s infiltrated so many institutions in these countries it’s going to be hard to return to, I could say pre GRA but not sure that’s possible, maybe just better acknowledgment of women and children and their concerns

It’s such a mess with massively invested parties who will push back against legal changes

FOJN · 30/08/2023 19:42

Not saying it’s impossible but what would the mechanism be, maybe biological sex in EqA or are there other ways?

There is a campaign to clarify "sex" in the EA. There was a petition and Westminster Hall debate which you may be able to find on YouTube.

More information here:

https://sex-matters.org/resources/equality-act-faqs/

The women in Ireland are now pushing back against self ID, their struggle will be harder because the law is already past. It was achieved by quietly sneaking self ID through at the same time as same sex marriage which had widespread public support but there was little public debate about self ID so most people did not know it was happening. The Denton Report details the global strategy to implement self ID.

Link to that document on his web page here:

https://somethingtosay.london/uncategorized/the-role-of-large-institutions-in-advocating-gender-identity-ideology-dentons-and-its-report-advocating-gender-transitioning-of-children/

The Scandinavian countries are reversing on medical transition for children because there is no evidence to prove benefit but plenty to prove harm.

Canada is lost and America continues full steam ahead but some individual states are passing laws to restrict medical intervention for children. People are waking up to it there and there is an increasing number of groups campaigning on different aspects of gender ideology.

Women and some men in other countries are also campaigning against this ideology but as I said it's been decades in the making and I think it will take at least a decade to return (if that's even possible) to where we were before the madness began and that's in the UK where the campaigning has been strong and (eventually) effective.

FAQs – sex in the Equality Act - Sex Matters

Answers to frequently asked questions about sex in the Equality Act 2010 and Sex Matters’ proposed clarification.

https://sex-matters.org/resources/equality-act-faqs

StefanosHill · 30/08/2023 19:24

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/08/2023 19:15

@TooBigForMyBoots

The Tories don't give a shit about this issue. They aren't fixing it now. They won't fix it in the future. People need to stop drinking the Tory Kool Aid.

Yes, the Tories are cyncially standing next to the fire with a bucket of water going "oooo, will we, won't we, ooo we're going to put it out any minute, look we almost put it out, any minute now, just you wait...."

But Lab/Green/Lib Dem/SNP are enthusiastically running towards the fire with a bucket of petrol.

Seriously, what do you expect us to do? Vote for parties who are publically committing to fuck us over because at least they are more honest than the one who will probably fuck us over but doesn't want to say?

How do you reverse it?

It’s so entrenched, and wrapped up in EC law too

I don’t think any countries listed in @FOJN pp have reversed much. Plus they have more autonomy over their laws

Not saying it’s impossible but what would the mechanism be, maybe biological sex in EqA or are there other ways?

FOJN · 30/08/2023 19:18

RandomButtons · 30/08/2023 17:51

Please take a look at what’s happening in Wales and you’ll see Labour are worse.

And Canada, the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil and half of Europe.

If the Tories are responsible for all of it then does that mean we have a new British Empire? I thought we decided that was a bad thing.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 30/08/2023 19:15

@TooBigForMyBoots

The Tories don't give a shit about this issue. They aren't fixing it now. They won't fix it in the future. People need to stop drinking the Tory Kool Aid.

Yes, the Tories are cyncially standing next to the fire with a bucket of water going "oooo, will we, won't we, ooo we're going to put it out any minute, look we almost put it out, any minute now, just you wait...."

But Lab/Green/Lib Dem/SNP are enthusiastically running towards the fire with a bucket of petrol.

Seriously, what do you expect us to do? Vote for parties who are publically committing to fuck us over because at least they are more honest than the one who will probably fuck us over but doesn't want to say?

Winnading · 30/08/2023 18:56

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/08/2023 17:06

Tories : torying

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That's all you can manage? After all the posts on here mentioning why you were wrong, giving info, putting links.
That's it.
Have you even read any of the other posts?

RandomButtons · 30/08/2023 17:51

Please take a look at what’s happening in Wales and you’ll see Labour are worse.

BloodyHellKen · 30/08/2023 17:19

For what it's worth OP I don't think the whole gender thing has been created by the Conservatives, but I do think the Conservatives would be really stupid not to use it to their advantage.

When your political opponents say such idiotic things like 0.9% of women have got a penis etc then quite frankly they are asking to be ridiculed and by default their policies mocked as equally unrealistic.

I have no sympathy for Labour/Lib Dem/Greens SNP etc as they have brought it all on themselves.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 17:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 14:12

Conservative - TWAW, TMAM said a Tory minister at the Despatch Box in response to the HoL asking for genderwoo to be removed from a Maternity Bill.

Conservative - I don't know the definition of girl and we don't need a legal definition said the Tory Sec of State for Education. What we need is a good old British fudge where girls can wait while boys claiming to be girls use the facilities first.

Conservative - it's OK to put violent male sex offenders into women's jails.

Conservative - Woman retweets JKR and is reported to the police by a Conservative MP.

Conservative - PM Johnson refuses to say that only women have a cervix. PM Sunak says a woman is whatever Boris Johnson says.

Conservative - I'm going to be a woman said a dodgy as fuck male MP. Cue round of applause and calls of stunning bravery.

Conservative - Include trans in Conversion Therapy Ban.

Conservative - fucking women over in every way possible.

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Oh I forgot:
Conservatives - appointed above mentioned, dodgy as fuck trans MP, to Women's and Equalities in 2022.

Conservatives - promised guidance for schools. Delayed guidance for schools. Aren't going to bother their arses producing guidance for schools according to Secretary of State for Education, Gillian TWAW Keegan in August 2023.

The Tories don't give a shit about this issue. They aren't fixing it now. They won't fix it in the future. People need to stop drinking the Tory Kool Aid.

nothingcomestonothing · 30/08/2023 17:09

I have never voted Tory, because of their stance on pretty much everything else, but the fact that the other parties, who i'd usually gravitate towards, cannot see the flaws in this approach leaves me politically adrift. I was a Labour Party member, but their stance on this made me cancel my membership.
There are clearly many other public policy areas that are really important, but that doesn't diminish the significance of this one!

Ditto. Please, anyone provide me with an alternative. This could and should be an open goal for Labour but they're too busy #being kind to men with special feelings and throwing women under the bus. I cannot and will not vote for a party which is willing to say things we all know are untrue, such as that humans can change sex, or that men who have particular feelings (how does one feel like a woman, btw? How do I know if I'm doing it?) are women. A politician who is willing to say men can be women is either stupid or a liar, and neither is what I'm looking for in a government.

To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories
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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/08/2023 17:06

Dramatico · 30/08/2023 13:50

Tories: torying

US postmodernist academics: sex is a racist white supremacist concept and women can have penises!

Fetishists and autogynephiles: HELLZ YEAH!

Women: Whuttttt???

Labour: We agree with this and if you're worried about your rights, you're a bigot! Rights are not pie!

Women: No way are we gonna let this slide

Tories - [realise this is a political wedge issue] - biological sex matters!

Women: We agree, even though we may disagree with you on lots of other things!

Labour - it's all the evil Toriez what did this

Tories : torying

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/08/2023 17:00

No one wants to kill it off. Why?

Money and power.

Gender bollocks is a global multi billion a year gravy train that also has the convenient added bonus of removing women's rights, child safeguarding and the right to dare question the batshit new religion.
While Indoctrination of the youth to the new think in schools like any good totalitarianism regime continues.

In 2015, stonewall were given money to promote transgender ideology and queer theory by weathly men. To add the 'T' because adding it to respected LGB rights campaign group and pushing the whole 'trans kids' narrative would help sanitize and hide the motives of adult males with sexual paraphilias.

The 'T' wouldn't have gotten anywhere on it's own, or without the children to hide behind.

This isn't just about Tories vs labour.
Most people I know who think gender ideology is nonsense are naturally left leaning. This whole shitshow has shown me just how little women as a sex class are thought of politically and socially by everyone in power.

StefanosHill · 30/08/2023 15:51

FOJN · 30/08/2023 13:04

Well obviously. Those if us saying this is not a Tory creation frequently point out that gender ideology has infiltrated national and international organisations on a global scale; you on the other hand are obsessed with laying the blame at the Tories door. I agree they were happy to go along with it for sometime but are now listening and taking action which is more than can be said for other political parties.

The GRR undid Nicola Sturgeon and when added to other problems the SNP has been destroyed yet they are still committed to bringing in self ID despite the absence of public support for it. I don't believe they are completely insane or stupid so my question is why? Aren't you interested in the answer to that question?

I understand why most political parties thought it was a cheap and easy vote winner but that hasn't turned out to be the case so why is it only the Conservatives trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around?

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The pp got close to answering your question when they said there’s not much that separates parties bar being ‘progressive’

Which by its virtue has to keep going, this time by rearranging the world upside down - which most know is to the detriment of women and children

changedenom78 · 30/08/2023 15:36

Clymene · 29/08/2023 21:57

I think your premise is deeply flawed and deeply misogynist because it implies that women like me are unthinking consumers who are only concerned by the relentless march of gender ideology because we've been spoonfed a line by propagandists.

I don't hate gender ideology because I'm too thick to think for myself. I hate it because it's damaging children. I don't just uncritically read mainstream press. I cross check to other sources and original material wherever possible. I'm not alone in that.

There are countless incidents like this on here where people say 'oh no, couldn't have been like that' and then it turns out that it was in fact exactly like that. Women on MN frequently break the stories way before the mainstream press gets hold of them. I remember the seriously dubious drag show on the south bank last summer which people said children couldn't see (they could) and the drag show for babies which people said didn't include sexual stuff and in any case the babies were too young to know what was going on (they did and they weren't). Both of them were discussed at length on here before they hit the MS press. And there are countless other examples.

Incidentally the gender critical feminists I know are the most intelligent women I know by some margin.

I agree wholeheartedly with this.

I also greatly resent the suggestion that because I am GC that I am anything other than a right wing zealot.

On the very odd occasion I've put my head above the parapet (on social media/at work) to so much as question anything related to the impact on women's rights/safeguarding, I've been told im basically an idiot/dinosaur with no grasp on critical thinking. Im a law graduate. I also have an MSc, and 20 years experience working in public policy. I've read widely on this subject.

I have never voted Tory, because of their stance on pretty much everything else, but the fact that the other parties, who i'd usually gravitate towards, cannot see the flaws in this approach leaves me politically adrift. I was a Labour Party member, but their stance on this made me cancel my membership.
There are clearly many other public policy areas that are really important, but that doesn't diminish the significance of this one!

RedToothBrush · 30/08/2023 15:32

I think the Tories could have killed it off by saying its not happening and putting in appropriate guidance and law.

But equally I think Labour etc could have killed it off by saying women are women and we need to look at this in a different way because if you are trans you haven't changed sex and you can't change sex.

No one wants to kill it off. Why?

The Tory reason not to kill it off is as simple as it is cynic - its become such a big issue, it will influence come the GE. If they do anything before a GE then they lose that as an election cause - theres no reason for GCs to vote for them.

But thats why it comes back to the point about Labour being able to kill this too but choosing not to.

The issue was around before it was on the Tory radar though. The cultural war on this was created by the people who said that you could change sex. Thats not the Tories. But it doesn't mean that they aren't deliberately prolonging it - but all parties are guilty of that and have the power to reverse that.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 15:14

Clymene · 30/08/2023 14:28

Exactly.

I posted an article by Stephanie Davies-Arai on another thread as I thought it deserved one of its own but she clearly describes the trajectory of the capture of education by the gender ideologues under the tories.

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Not just Education. Women and Equalities has been headed by Con MP Caroline TWAW Nokes for years.

FOJN · 30/08/2023 14:58

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 14:17

So why is it only the Conservatives who are trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around.

They're not. They've been saying that they are for years but have done fuck all. They haven't even been able to publish guidance for schools. It's just more Tory lies.

You rely on half truths to vent your spleen about the fucking Tories at every turn so I really don't think it's wise for you to point the finger at others for being less than 100% honest. Do you ever post about anything other than your Tory hatred?

The civil service has been infiltrated I would imagine trying to get the schools guidance published has been like trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Did you read the Cass review? Did you notice the Tavi being closed?
Did you notice that the Tories have taken self ID off the table?

This shit show has been decades in the making, it's probably only two years since some politicians woke up to what their inaction was leading to and now they are doing something. Everything from prisons to health, to the police, judiciary and education needs reviewing.

The parties not in power are under no such pressure and they still can't even confidently define biological sex never mind give guarantees about single sex spaces. Labour are still talking about safe spaces for women, wtf are they? Places we can retreat to to avoid being triggered by state enabled gaslighting?

Clymene · 30/08/2023 14:28

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/08/2023 14:17

So why is it only the Conservatives who are trying to turn the gender ideology juggernaut around.

They're not. They've been saying that they are for years but have done fuck all. They haven't even been able to publish guidance for schools. It's just more Tory lies.

Exactly.

I posted an article by Stephanie Davies-Arai on another thread as I thought it deserved one of its own but she clearly describes the trajectory of the capture of education by the gender ideologues under the tories.