Transwoman tortures and murders 17 year old girl with learning difficulties, media, courts fail to report that he is a man and that he has prior rape with weapons conviction (NZ) (distressing content)

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

This is the reporting

www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/pair-jailed-torture-murder-teen

The judge 'said Winter, also known as Ashleigh Tonga, was the "dominant" offender and generally "in-charge". He believed the second strike offender became involved in the murder "because [she] found the situation exciting".'

No mention of the details of the 'first strike'.

For that you'll need to refer to the official court proceedings

www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/assets/cases/R-v-Winter-Te-Amo.pdf

(very graphic)

Your first strike offending occurred in 2014 when you attempted to rape a woman in circumstances where you first assaulted her with weapons and also tried to force her to give you oral sex.

Note that, somehow, despite Winter being indubitably the instigator, and having a far worse criminal history, with the co-defendant merely 'joining in', Winter gets a 10% discount on his sentence.

The judge notes of the co-defendant:

You became involved in petty crime which became more serious by 2017. On 16 January 2018 you were sentenced to one year and two months’ imprisonment for offences of violence and dishonesty.

A combination of drug and alcohol intoxication, an established pattern of low self-control, a history of emotion suppression and vulnerability to the influence of others, and a dominant co-offender who had a strong grievance against the 17 year old female victim, may explain why Mr Te Amo exhibited the capacity to engage in extreme violence

The Crown submits I should uplift your minimum period of imprisonment to take account of this offending. Your counsel suggests a lesser uplift. I think your previous offending means there should be an uplift in the interests of community safety. I will adopt your lawyer’s suggestion of six months. (!)

Taking your personal circumstances together, I find myself largely in
agreement with Mr Goodwin. I have decided I will reduce the starting point by 10 per cent.

So Winter gets 19 years + 4 months for murder, + 7 years for kidnapping, and Te Amo gets 19 years for murder + 7 years for kidnapping.

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

Sorry the title is slightly wrong, it should read 'courts & media fail to report that he is a man and media that he has prior rape with weapons conviction '

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

The NZ Herald is also filled with lies on behalf of the evil.

This is the journalist who fails to report the facts.

twitter.com/SamuelPHurley

Three police officers had knocked on the door of the Buckland Rd building the day before Pairama's body was found.

They were there to obtain a statement from a woman named Ashleigh Tonga and were met at the door by a young, crying woman - it was Pairama.

But then another "more dominant" woman came to the door and said Ashleigh Tonga wasn't there. It was Winter.

Winter, aka Ashleigh Tonga is a man. Man is not a 'more dominant' form of woman. Men are men. Women are women.

Bastards.

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12334854

[SarahTancredi]

Hang on I'm confused ( not hard u I haven't had any coffee yet )

Did u say police showed up before she was dead?

Please tell me they both went to mens prison

[Shedbuilder]

Still working my way through all that info and links, but my generally rather conservative relatives in New Zealand are pro-trans and proud to be so because they think it makes them seem progressive. My general impression is that NZ is on its way to becoming Canada unless something happens quickly to prevent it. I wonder if this could be the case that makes people sit up? I'd really love Ardern to speak up for women.

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

I believe

.03.05.02 Criteria to apply for review of initial determination
Prisoners are not eligible to apply for a review of the initial determination of their placement if they:
are serving a sentence for serious sexual offence (refer POM M.03.05.Res.01 Schedule of serious sexual offences) against a person of the prisoner’s nominated sex, or
are on remand for a serious sexual offence against a person of the prisoner’s nominated sex, or
have previously served a sentence of imprisonment for a serious sexual offence:
against a person of the prisoner’s nominated sex, and
the sentence expiry date for that sentence was within 7 years ago or less.

www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/policy_and_legislation/Prison-Operations-Manual/Movement/M.03-Specified-gender-and-age-movements/M.03.05-Transgender-prisoner


So in general I think he is not allowed in women's prison, but would be if the offence was old enough.

[Gncq]

But...

^[39] You also have an extensive criminal record. Your first strike offending
occurred in 2014 when you attempted to rape a woman in circumstances where you
first assaulted her with weapons and also tried to force her to give you oral sex^

Is this another one of those "is this a trans woman or a woman threads?

I don't think in NZ rape needs to involve a penis. It could just be a truly awful woman.

Why do you actually think Winters is trans?

[Gncq]

Did u say police showed up before she was dead?

Yes, police arrived at the property on a completely unrelated matter, left, then they killed the girl much later.

It's a horrific case.

[Gncq]

Oh dear...

[WhaeaFire]

Winter is definitely trans; there is no doubt about that. His name is Toko (Ashley) Shane Winter, and other reporting on the case mentioned That he struggled with his transition.

[Kantastic]

For anyone attempting to muddy the waters or imply this crime was committed by an actual woman - here. www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300020336/pair-jailed-for-kidnap-torture-and-murder-of-auckland-teenager-dimetrius-pairama

Explicitly says that the murderer's "struggles with gender transition" were brought up by his lawyer as a mitigating factor. The heart bleeds, honestly. Actually seems to have succeeded in convincing the judge re mitigation , too, going by what OP says about sentences.

This is beyond vile, and everyone enabling this person's pretence at femaleness participates in his vileness.

[EileenAlanna]

Sorry, I think that might be the same case. Didn't recognise it as the report I read had said the body Tonga was convicted for was found in a metal drum somewhere in an abandoned State house, didn't connect it with a newly vacated rental house.

[WhaeaFire]

EileenAlanna, that’s the same case, but Ashley Tonga is a different person to the one who has just been convicted of the murder. The person convicted of the murder is Ashley Winter.

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

That is the same person. 10000000000000000000000%

[Gncq]

It's beyond horiffic that this will be recorded as a crime committed by a woman. The article linked to in the OP made no reference whatsoever to the fact the murderer was male.

Of course, whenever a transwoman does something good like, wins an award or becomes mayor of a French town, it's all about how "transwomen does this, transwoman does that, how fantastic".
When a transwoman tortures and murders a vulnerable young woman, or commits a crime like sex assault, it's always a "woman" doing it.

[RufustheLanglovingreindeer]

If we could trust the reporting then there wouldn't be any ‘is she isnt she threads

[WhaeaFire]

It definitely isn’t. Ashley Tonga has a prominent social media presence and is still posting away, while Ashley Winter is in jail.

[WhaeaFire]

Ashley Tonga

[EileenAlanna]

@WhaeaFire some of the Court reports say he also goes by Tonga & when he didn't make it through the X Factor boot camp he said he was returning to Mangere, which is where the murder took place, in the house Winter/Tonga (?) had been living for 10 years & had moved out of just before the murder. The reporting on this seems to be very iffy. www.stuff.co.nz/national/105391938/former-xfactor-contestants-shock-over-body-discovery-at-former-home

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

Oh I see.

Looks like very shit reporting.

Looks like:

1. 'Ashley Tonga' appeared as 'drag queen' on the X Factor, but is now being described as a 'woman'.
2. 'Ashley Tonga' has a history of petty vendettas against women including turning up on their doorstep to harass them.

www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nasty-female-feud-erupts-online-former-x-factor-star-ashley-tonga-threatened-after-spat-gets-physical

(reported as 'nasty female feud')

1. The murder TOOK PLACE at "Ashley Tonga's " recently vacated home. www.stuff.co.nz/national/105391938/former-xfactor-contestants-shock-over-body-discovery-at-former-home
2. Hence the police turning up to ask for a 'woman' named 'Ashleigh Tonga' (unhelpful misspelling of Ashley by the NZ Herald).
3. They didn't find (not actual) woman Ashley Tonga, who was the former resident, but they did find (also not actual) woman Ashley Winter

Ashley Winter is a Maori TW. Ashley Tonga is a Tongan TW.

Ashley Tonga does not seem to be connected to the case.

The NZ Herald in addition to failing woman has also failed Ashley Tonga, reporting

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12334766

"He said Winter, also known as Ashleigh Tonga, was the "dominant" member of the group and generally "in charge". "

It would surely not be that hard for these bastards to get their facts straight....

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

Note that Ashley Winter is reported as 29 or 30, whereas Ashley Tonga was 18 in 2013 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_Factor_(New_Zealand_series_1), so they are certainly not the same people.

[WhaeaFire]

Yes, that’s it, Shoots. Very confusing, and a massive coincidence, but definitely two different people.

[ShootsFruitAndLeaves]

It's not that much of a coincidence I guess. Lots of traditional cultures are extremely homophobic so there are lots of 'transwomen'