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OncewasLangandClegtwo Sat 08-Feb-20 23:12:29

"I realised I wanted a living wife, not a dead husband."

Interviewer repeats, and says that's profound.
Fuck off you wanker.

@tinselangel

Hope its OK to copy you into this?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNDiWRedBBY

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OncewasLangandClegtwo Sat 08-Feb-20 23:24:03

The reason for my thread heading.
@glinner is getting a lot of shit for posting the pic of a transwoman, the transwomans image was protected onto a building in Dublin. He said something about same old priests.
I'll admit at first I was thinking that yes he has gone a bit too far. But actually he is right.
How is it fucking profound to say your husband would have commit suicide if you didn't validate their trans identity.
It's a cult and non believers are punished. (in this case it seems the punishment would be this womans fault for causing a suicide)

This is not a drill.

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OncewasLangandClegtwo Sat 08-Feb-20 23:25:15

*image was projected

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SonEtLumiere Sun 09-Feb-20 07:00:20

I read a balanced article online last night in the Indo’ it seems to be gone again.
It was the first tiny glimmer of hope for Ireland.

DuchessDumbarton Sun 09-Feb-20 09:28:06

I dunno.....
There are so many dynamics going on inside relationships.

I didn't see the interview - did they have children?

I dont agree when (s)he says that they are like all women and have to be careful walking the street- the danger is different for XX women.

Coercion is such a powerful force...and women's people's need to do the "right thing" and "loves conquers all" and so on and on...

Dont know what Im saying and will have to have a think before I can be coherent

ArranUpsideDown Sun 09-Feb-20 09:37:38

My major takeaway for how insidious this is that pretty much all the parties in Ireland are heading towards criminalising any healthcare that is anything other than "gender affirming" for children.

That's the perfidy of allowing the 'suicide leverage' to preclude any discussion.

ThinEndoftheWedge Sun 09-Feb-20 12:01:12

@SonEtLumiere is this the article?

amp.independent.ie/opinion/comment/fear-of-being-labelled-a-bigot-should-not-silence-discussion-of-gender-transition-38934941.html?__twitter_impression=true

NothingWrong Sun 09-Feb-20 13:06:53

Yes, Ireland is leading the way.

NothingWrong Sun 09-Feb-20 13:08:42

She wanted to be 'a living wife' (female), not a 'dead husband' (the man she was.

NothingWrong Sun 09-Feb-20 13:09:55

She basically stated that she was suicidal as a man from my watching of the interview.

Mayorquimby2 Sun 09-Feb-20 13:19:11

We're not the ones sending the old bill round if you call a man a man on Twitter

NothingWrong Sun 09-Feb-20 13:29:50

I don't like your tone about Ireland.
What does 'same as it ever was' mean?
As for 'fuck off you wanker' to Tubridy?
Who do you think you are? Or why do you think you're in a position to comment on what Ireland does?

NothingWrong Sun 09-Feb-20 13:30:54

Does that couple somehow upset your existence?

MCBerberLoop Sun 09-Feb-20 13:51:32

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

pachyderm Sun 09-Feb-20 13:55:43

The OP is Irish as far as I know. So is perfectly entitled to comment on the shite state of affairs here.

OldCrone Sun 09-Feb-20 13:58:22

"I realised I wanted a living wife, not a dead husband."

This is from a report on Transgender People’s Experiences of Domestic Abuse from the Scottish Transgender Alliance

A quarter of respondents stated that their partner or ex-partner had threatened or attempted suicide or self-harm as a way to make them do, or stop them doing something. receiving such threats from a partner or ex-partner can generate intense feelings of guilt and concern for the wellbeing of the partner or ex-partner particularly since suicidal thoughts, threats and actions are strongly associated with mental illness, severe emotional distress, and vulnerability. As a result of these associations, it can be difficult for a person experiencing domestic abuse to identify their partner or ex-partner as holding abusive power over them. They may instead feel obliged to fulfil a care-giving role towards the threatening partner or ex-partner. The presence of threats of suicide or self-harm can lead people to try to excuse (through narratives of illness and diminished responsibility) other abusive behaviours carried out by the person making the threats. Where a transgender person already feels guilt about possibly causing distress to a partner or ex-partner by coming out as transgender or starting to transition, threats of suicide or self-harm by a partner or ex-partner are particularly likely to result in a transgender person feeling unable to express their gender identity or continue to transition.

So according to the trans lobby, the partner of a transgender person threatening suicide is likely to be abusive behaviour towards the transgender person by the non-transitioning partner. But a transgender person threatening suicide is never abuse of the non-transitioning partner.

Why the double standards, I wonder?

ArranUpsideDown Sun 09-Feb-20 14:12:34

'same as it ever was'

I'm most familiar with it as:
House of Pain's album name;
Talking Head's Once in a lifetime ;
variation of SAMO in guerilla art - particularly the "enigmatic epigrams" that featured so heavily in the Barbican's recent Jean-Michel Basquiat exhibition.

I can see the similarity between transference of unthinking acceptance from a religious faith to contemporary social phenomena. I may be wrong in that.

OncewasLangandClegtwo Sun 09-Feb-20 14:26:22

It's that line about wanting a living wife, not a dead husband and the fawning over it.
This line comes up again and again and has been said by some prominant TRAs. It ties into the suicide stats they use and the threat of suicide if they are not affirmed.
To me it seems to put the onus onto the other person if they don't affirm.
I worry for people who watched it and could now be worried that they might cause someone's suicide.

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OncewasLangandClegtwo Sun 09-Feb-20 14:56:14

I can see the similarity between transference of unthinking acceptance from a religious faith to contemporary social phenomena. I may be wrong in that.

Yes that's what is happening.

Just to add the couple on the late show seemed nice I've no issue with them at all, I have an issue with how talk of suicide is being used in this way.
It's completely irresponsible.

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NothingWrong Sun 09-Feb-20 15:04:11

It's reality. We talk about that shit in Ireland these days!

pachyderm Sun 09-Feb-20 15:11:17

@Nothingwrong "we talk about that shit in Ireland these days" and yet you aggressively questioned OncewasLangandClegtwo's right to talk about it. What hypocrisy.

3timeslucky Sun 09-Feb-20 15:28:18

@NothingWrong
You're saying It's reality. We talk about that shit in Ireland these days!

But on Craicnet you're stating:
I'm not in Ireland. I'm observing from the sidelines!

So you're not part of any "we" that is talking about anything in Ireland? You're sitting elsewhere talking about Ireland - which appears to have been your criticism of the OP?

Make up your mind where you are.

Coyoacan Sun 09-Feb-20 17:31:22

But it's certainly not exclusive to Ireland, is it?

It's not just the religious aspect of the Irish though. When I lived in the Republic I found people were very much inclined to be kind and think no evil.

LizA49 Sun 09-Feb-20 17:41:24

How is it fucking profound to say your husband would have commit suicide if you didn't validate their trans identity.

Reminds me of my sisters ex who told her he was going to commit suicide if she didn’t have an abortion. Same old manipulative shite. angry

OncewasLangandClegtwo Sun 09-Feb-20 21:03:00

LizA49

It really is manipulative.
It just struck me because I've seen it used by prominant TRAs a lot.
I'm wondering if they heard it from trans groups..

No coyoacan not at all exclusive to Ireland but I think its fair to ask why people are so unquestioning, like Ireland was with the church in the past..
There was no debate then either.

I can't find the thread, but here's the article about doctors who's concerns about puperty blockers were ommited from minutes of a meeting.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/doctors-in-row-with-hse-over-claims-childrens-transgender-care-is-unsafe-38920159.html

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