Hang on - Labour manifesto references single-sex exemptions

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Page 65 of Labour manifesto.
“Ensure that the single-sex-based exemptions contained in the Equality Act 2010 are understood and fully enforced in service provision.”

Are they actually listening?
Might I have an option beyond spoiling my ballot?
Also, misogyny a hate crime.

Blimey.....keep reading :)

just ask them what a woman is, and who is able to join their woman only shortlists and take up womans officer positions.

There’s two threads on this
If they reform the GRA what will “single sex” mean for real?

I’ll definitely be asking my candidate that, Fekko.

Page 68 talks about GRA reform to include “self declaration” for transgender people though. How do they square the two things?

Labour had just done too much harm in my eyes - this and other issues. I wouldn't trust a single one of them to hold my pint.

Labour and promises in the same sentence?
Don’t believe a word they say.

Single sex to them is : anyone who self identifies into the sex that takes their fancy that particular morning.

God knows, Sydney.

But, my initial instinct is that this opens up debate on all that rather than closing it down. Perhaps I’m grasping at straws, but this feels
better than the absolute travesty I expected from “I’m Jeremy Corbyn and my pronouns are he/him”.

That's better than I thought it would be.

Single sex to them is : anyone who self identifies into the sex that takes their fancy that particular morning.

No, the manifesto is with regard to single sex exemptions in EqA. They're saying they'll make it easier to get a GRC but tighten up the limitations to the entitlements the GRC affords - so protecting refuges, rape crisis services, etc.

Certain people are expressing anger about this already. Apparently it’ll make people with a penis not want to be a Labour Woman’s Officer. Shame.

Really? Excellent!

The good: it shows they know Woke genderism is not a vote winner, no matter how much the Twitterati think it is and groups like WPUK have had success behind the scenes with regard to the needs of women.

The bad: boundary pushers don't stop pushing, ever. So still far too lukewarm for me to take the risk any work they do on protecting EqA exemptions would be significant or successful.

They're saying they'll make it easier to get a GRC but tighten up the limitations to the entitlements the GRC affords - so protecting refuges, rape crisis services, etc.

I’m glad it wasn’t only me who interpreted it like this.

I think the fact that a commitment to tightening single-sex exemptions is in their manifesto is valuable. Both for opening up debate and making it easier to raise with candidates, and because of the significance of a manifesto commitment if a party wins a majority.

I'm cautiously optimistic about that position.

No, the manifesto is with regard to single sex exemptions in EqA. They're saying they'll make it easier to get a GRC but tighten up the limitations to the entitlements the GRC affords - so protecting refuges, rape crisis services, etc

I hope this is true Lang but I’m not convinced as that renders a GRC rather meaningless to those who’ve spent the last 20 odd years pushing through a different agenda . I simply don’t see Liebour making a u turn on their current stance esp when they also refer to government certification for gender equality ( what does that even mean? ) in the same section. Maybe I need to do some more reading on this.

Is it possible for one or both OPs to ask for a merged thread or something?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749319-Labour-promises-to-keep-single-sex-exemptions

Well that's some unexpected good news....

If you trust them.

I'm fine with handing out GRCs like smarties, so long as the limits around single sex provisions for natal female women who need them are maintained alongside new gender neutral/whatever you want to call it this week spaces.

But this looks suspiciously to me like a hurled lollipop from a party desperate for votes, who believe the end justifies the means. By their deeds shall you know them. Their history of deeds in this area is woeful and I trust them about as far as I could throw Corbyn's anorak.

Fekko I have no way of knowing if any party I vote for will implement their manifesto promises. But the fact that a policy I agree with is in a manifesto is still encouraging, to me. Because it means that some senior people in the party see the importance of that policy and/or that it is popular, and because it makes it easier to raise the issue if legislating it is overlooked/ignored.

I can already see ways that this being a manifesto commitment makes it easier at the charity where I’m a trustee, where staying firm on our single-sex exemption has been hard work. (Harder for another trustee to accuse me “Trumpian transphobia” when the Labour manifesto agrees with me - however they do in this election )

It also helps prevent a race to the bottom on anti-female policies amongst our political parties.

Someone’s done their homework before election? Not sure I trust them what with all the hoo ha about All Women Shortlist

All it says to me is that they will ensure that the GRA will be reformed so men can self declare themselves as women, thereby making any single sex exemptions utterly redundant.

They’ve used word salad to convolute it because they know damn well they are losing women because of it.

just ask them what a woman is, and who is able to join their woman only shortlists and take up womans officer positions.

My Labour candidate won't answer these questions.

Like others have said, they know this issue is losing them support among their base. The frankly disgusting way the Labour party have behaved towards the people raising concerns about self-ID up to this point shows how contemptuous they are of women as a sex class.

I'm unconvinced they haven't stuck this in at the last minute to placate lobbyists within the Labour movement like WPUK; because I don't see how they can preserve and strengthen the EA2010 exemptions whilst liberalising the GRA2004 to allow self identification.

I want an unambiguous statement of commitment to women's sex based rights before I'll ever vote Labour again.

All it says to me is that they will ensure that the GRA will be reformed so men can self declare themselves as women, thereby making any single sex exemptions utterly redundant.

Exactly this. They'll make sure people enforce the single-sex exemptions, but they'll also allow any man to self-identify as a woman and get a GRC, which means men can enter women's spaces as long as they self-identify as women.

If this isn't what they mean they need to state it more clearly.