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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stephen Whittle

77 replies

MsMcWoodle · 28/11/2018 16:15

Apologies if already covered.
Specialist advisor to Penny Mordaunt and the Women and Equalities committee which proposed the GRA revisions has been forced to retract false information about crime rates among trans women.
twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1067772092211445760

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VickyEadie · 28/11/2018 16:20

Not the first retraction SW has had to make recently. Naughty, naughty, porkie-telling SW.

It's almost as if the truth won't further their cause...

Grauniad · 28/11/2018 16:41

At least some of the 5000 people currently granted a GRC have previously had to jump through hoops to convince a panel that they are not transitioning for dodgy reasons. That being so, you would expect a lower rate of sexual offending, surely, in a carefully selected set of people?

The numbers (amongst the few with a GRC, not the randomers without) are small. But you can't use them to confirm a lower risk.

LangCleg · 28/11/2018 16:44

I wonder if Stephen will come back to MN to explain all this?

MsMcWoodle · 28/11/2018 16:56

Embarrassing for the Guardian too. Shame.

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Katvonblackdeath · 28/11/2018 17:08

Yes Stephen. You like telling us off. Do come and explain why you think it's acceptable to use false statistics? Didn't you check them?

Pro tip. You undermine your credibility when you make stuff up.

boatyardblues · 28/11/2018 17:21

Well done FPFW. Keep up the excellent work in ensuring this debate is evidence-based and rational.

TimeLady · 28/11/2018 17:24

Not paying attention in the maths class as well as the biology one.

VickyEadie · 28/11/2018 17:29

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Melamin · 28/11/2018 17:47

Good.

LizzieSiddal · 28/11/2018 17:52

Is there any way we can make sure the Women and Equalities Committe are aware that Stephen doesn't always state the truth?

theOtherPamAyres · 28/11/2018 18:06

Is there any way we can make sure the Women and Equalities Committe are aware that Stephen doesn't always state the truth?

One way, if you are on Twitter: reply to FPFW's tweet and copy in the Women and Equalities twitter account.

Alternatively send a tweet to W&E. I'd love to send something like:

"Oi MPs. Have you seen the state of this? Your mate's been found out and embarressed the Guardian. Best to check on all that pro-GRA reform advice that he gave you in case there are a few more duds there!"

.... but I try to sound sensible on Twitter. Wink

LemonJello · 28/11/2018 18:13

What a fucking disgrace.

So not only does Stephen weaponise suicide to make a point (which was also retracted after an outcry) but Stephen also uses false statistics.

It’s almost as if Stephen’s point can’t be made without manipulation and falsification Hmm

WrathofbubonicKlop · 28/11/2018 18:14

Forced to retract false information about crime rates among trans women

A whole section removed.
Because it was false.

If a person gives false information then all of their work could be questionable.

Thankyou, Fair Play for Women et al for highlighting this.

ProfessoressWoland · 28/11/2018 18:54

Is it too much to ask that the Guardian fact-check before publishing these statistics?

GenderIsAPrison · 28/11/2018 18:58

I don’t understand what drives her.

GenderIsAPrison · 28/11/2018 18:58

To push the trans agenda so hard.

LemonJello · 28/11/2018 19:04

Stephen’s dad beat up Stephen’s mother when she wore trousers.

PencilsInSpace · 28/11/2018 19:11

Stephen’s dad beat up Stephen’s mother when she wore trousers

Shit, really?

LemonJello · 28/11/2018 19:13

"I remember being on a holiday when I was about 13 and he hit my mother because she came out of the caravan wearing slacks and refused to change back into a dress."

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/apr/17/socialcare.highereducationprofile

scepticalwoman · 28/11/2018 19:21

Well done Fair Play for Women. Outstanding persistence.

It's all based on a tissue of false stats, bullying and intimidation isn't it? This is why the #nodebate is so critical - because as soon as you unpick any aspect of the ideology - pink blue brains, born in the wrong body, suicide stats, rates of sex offending, no risks to children / women - it all falls apart.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/11/2018 19:22

fucking hell

well somethings become clearer reading that article

no fucking excuse for selling women down the river though Stephen

I liked this bit particularly. it will be useful when I meet my MP on Friday

Stephen Whittle
R0wantrees · 28/11/2018 19:24

LemonJello I hadn't read that interview:

there's a lot there that is revealing:
"At one time, we transsexuals were what other people wiped off the bottom of their shoes," he says. This is a man who knows what it's like to lose jobs on the basis of what he is rather than what he could do, a former self-employed builder who took a part-time law degree to further his business interests and then discovered that he could use the law to "fight back", as he puts it, against the injustices he feels have dogged him for most of his life. This is a husband and father who went as far as the European Court of Human Rights so that his long-term partner could be impregnated through artificial insemination and his name could be on their children's birth certificate.

"I'm just a bolshie bastard with an overwhelming desire for equality" and justice," he says" (continues)

It seems unlikely that his father would have been as generous, had he still been alive. He was a representative of the old Britain, the old Manchester. "He was very much of the view that girls were girls and women were women," says Whittle. "I remember being on a holiday when I was about 13 and he hit my mother because she came out of the caravan wearing slacks and refused to change back into a dress."

By that time, the family were beginning to prosper, moving to middle-class Withington from the council estate of Wythenshawe. Whittle Sr, having fallen into a vat of dye at a chemical depot, was offered the choice of compensation or a desk job. He took the desk job and, despite being barely literate, discovered a hidden talent for technical drawing. Eventually he became manager of the plant, while his wife became a medical secretary at the Christie hospital. The middle of five children, Whittle envied his brothers but inherited his parents' drive to get on. In later life, that drive was fed by the generous doses of testosterone he persuaded his GP to prescribe. "I became quite feisty," he admits." (continues)

As an aside its interesting to note his connections with Wythenshawe and The Christie. These are notable with regards where fellow law graduate Tara Hewitt has had influence. UHCM being in Manchester
There are quite a few links between the two trans-activists

WrathofbubonicKlop · 28/11/2018 19:28

Lemon
The trouble is, now we don't really know if this is a true account, do we?

PencilsInSpace · 28/11/2018 19:35

there's a lot there that is revealing

Yes.

With a quick bit of maths, Whittle's father hit w's mother for wearing trousers in around 1967. That's quite recent for an objection to women wearing trousers (meanwhile men hitting women for whatever reason is perennial).

I've been able to be at the forefront of a new political movement that is really challenging the issues of body fascism.

I could weep.

LemonJello · 28/11/2018 19:37

There is always traumatic policing of gender norms.

Eg Susie Green’s husband’s inability to accept a feminine son, removing the child’s beloved toys and breaking up the marriage over it.