Stephen Whittle

[MsMcWoodle]

Apologies if already covered.
Specialist advisor to Penny Mordaunt and the Women and Equalities committee which proposed the GRA revisions has been forced to retract false information about crime rates among trans women.
twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1067772092211445760

Around 1967 parents like that would have been regarded as very old fashioned.

But I wonder now if the back story has been over egged to glean sympathy.

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/aug/05/my-fight-to-be-a-man

An abusive father figure seems to be common with high profile transmen, it's interesting.

I think it’s more likely that the backstory has been minimised.

An abusive father figure seems to be common with high profile transmen, it's interesting.

Male abuse seems to be very common with transmen.

There's a whole body of research that should be done if only vested interests didn't try to suppress it. The transmen whose stories I've heard seem to be trying desperately to escape something. So it makes sense that they can be even more hostile and dismissive of womanhood and all it entails, than transwomen.

@MsMcWoodle thanks for sharing this.
Would you consider editing the title please to also include something about Fairplay for Women /Guardian/ retracting statistics etc?

Things are moving really quickly and it might mean that the information is easier to find and more people are aware of it.

MN have been happy to do this in the past in similar circumstances with Newspaper stories etc
(you just report your OP and ask there)

No fucking excuse Steven. I had a similar childhood, I didn't ^become the bully*

There's a whole body of research that should be done if only vested interests didn't try to suppress it.

There really is.

threadreader of the OP twitter link:
by fairplay for women
"1) Today @ guardian have agreed to delete the false claims made by @ stephenwhittle during the GRA consultation following a challenge by @ fairplaywomen and others.

2. This whole section by Whittle was been removed due to these spurious figures used to suggest that transwomen are ten time less likely to commit sexual crimes compared to any men. These figures are simply untrue.

3. The conviction rate for sexual offending by men in England and Wales is about 2 per 3000 men. (~14,000 male sex offenders in prison out of ~23 million adult males). In fact, this accurate figure is exactly the same as the rate amongst transwomen with a GRC (2 out ~3000).

4. So thank you @ stephenwhittle for alerting us to yet more evidence that transwomen have a male-pattern of criminality. We will add it to the growing list of statistics including this:
   fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/

5. and of course this: fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/ "

link
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1067772092211445760.html

Own goal springs to mind. Isn't it about time we had another football match?

Jesus. Imagine seeing your dad hit your mum for wearing trousers.

What a horrible man he must have been

Own goal springs to mind. Isn't it about time we had another football match?

Maybe a Badley Fuckitt away match?

It’s domestic abuse - coercive control of what women wear, still happens today. Isn’t gender policing doing the same thing?

Whilst I do not wish to minimise the experience Stephen’s mother, there is also an element of coercive control in dividing people along gender lines and signifiers of what they wear, how they dress and present, evident in trans discourse. And then erasing and hunting down the people who question it. I mean, if it was not about control, no-one would be called a t**f and threatened for saying dresses, long hair and a female name do not make a woman.

Lemon
I think it’s more likely that the backstory has been minimised
I see what you're saying, it's something he would rather not admit, that his parents are not the root cause.
That he would want people to believe he was born in the wrong body.

Downing Street? Whittle will be there. A gong? Set it up. Fine dining and networking? Count him in. Women worried about safeguarding in the Guides? He'll join in the debate, not to support, but to muse about the Whittle sexual encounters in the Guides. Whittle won't let facts get in the way of a sound bite.

Press for Change existed originally because of the diligence and work of the likes of Angela Clayton. She passed away several years ago.
I miss her for her kindness, her insight, her courage and her intelligence. Angela and colleagues did the tough work and they never spoke divisively. I think of Angela every time I see Whittle dribbling on. I hope that he reads this.

Angela was an incredibly well respected international scientist (physicist). I think that is important, because science informed her thinking. She was also a Trans woman.

She never invented "facts" nor talked fake science.. She spoke up in some very frightening situations, and I shared a platform with her in our trades union activities. Whittle, by comparison, is conspicuous by his absence in my memories of those days.

Angela Clayton, wanted a place at the table for trans people, without stealing anyone else's seat, or womens hard fought for rights.

She, along with others, whom Whittle forgets to mention, was the true Spirit of Press for Change. She was proud to be a Trans woman.
Stephen Whittle literally hid behind her skirts, and only appeared publicly, when it became safe and lucrative to do so.

I see you for what you are Whittle. I've a long memory.

Excellent post *LurkingWaspi”

Looking at R0wantrees clip - random group of 5000 men? I believe there have been just under 5000 GRC issued. Were none of them issued to women?

Did the guardian publish an apology or an acknowledgement that this article had been corrected?

Anyone who read this when it was published is unlikely to refer to it again and will remain unaware that what they read was false.

Hi R0wantrees - Done. Sorry, didn't see your post until now.

Oscarino Yes - the false statistics will continue to be quoted too.

Birdsfoottrefoi
The screen shot is from the FPFW thread and is the section by Stephen Whittle which has been deleted from the Guardian article. It is misleading because as you say of the 5000 GRC issued some have been to males (transwomen) and some females (transmen).

This is a key point because many TRAs highlight statistics for risk based on the group of people who are transgender (eg both male and female sex combined ) but as per the non-trans population, males and females have very different offender profiles and therefore risk patterns.

If 3000/5000 GRC have been granted to transwomen, those 3000 can also be known to be male (sex)

So the data on offending rates of males who are transgender can be obcscured both when the crime is recorded as being committed by a woman and when recorded as simply committed by someone who is transgender.

There is such a need to acknowledge male violence, especially against women (adult human females). It gets obscured in many ways.

Press for Change existed originally because of the diligence and work of the likes of Angela Clayton. She passed away several years ago.
I miss her for her kindness, her insight, her courage and her intelligence. Angela and colleagues did the tough work and they never spoke divisively. I think of Angela every time I see Whittle dribbling on. I hope that he reads this.

Angela was an incredibly well respected international scientist (physicist). I think that is important, because science informed her thinking. She was also a Trans woman

She never invented "facts" nor talked fake science.. She spoke up in some very frightening situations, and I shared a platform with her in our trades union activities.

LurkingWaspi
That's really interesting.
Angela Clayton's (or others like her) influence seems badly needed in Press For Change, just as at Stonewall, Mermaids etc

Not much of a 'gravy train' providing funding and career opportunities for a physicist, is there? Some of the others, however......

That's really interesting LurkingWaspi. I had never heard of Angela Clayton before.

Knowing about Whittle's childhood experience of sex-based violence explains a lot. High investment in escaping womanhood would be an understandable response.

Thank you, Fair Play for Women, for exposing Stephen Whittle's lies.