Philip Bunce & Nicci Take “corporate drag queen” were part of 10% male-born recipients in award for women.

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Sunday Times article with interview by Rosamund Urwin:
'Nicci Take: ‘Male bosses should be made to cross-dress to see what it is like to be groped and abused’

"Nicci Take, who also describes herself as a “corporate drag queen”, appeared on the Financial Times & HERoes Champions of Women in Business list last month, alongside Pips Bunce, a director at Credit Suisse who defines as “gender fluid”.

Take, 50, was criticised for taking a spot that could have been filled by a biological female but said she had been included for her efforts to help women.

“It’s an irrelevant conversation,” said Take, who is married with three children. “The conversation needs to be . . . ‘Why is there a list at all?’, not who should be on it and what bathroom they pee in. As women, we have had the vote for 100 years. I’ve had the vote my whole life, whatever gender I happen to be — we think it must be done [equality achieved] and it isn’t.”

She added that “at least 10% of the list was trans” but people were unaware of the others." (continues)

article features business video by Nicci Take:
"She added: “I haven’t known I was trans since I was four or five . . . and I don’t believe I am trapped in the wrong body.”

Nicci Take says she is not a trans representative and does not believe she is trapped in the wrong body

She began presenting as a woman six years ago, in an attempt to revamp her company, M62 Vincis, which helps other businesses win sales pitches.

“My trans journey started when I wanted to change the culture of my business — and I needed a metaphor,” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/nicci-take-male-bosses-should-be-made-to-cross-dress-to-see-what-it-is-like-to-be-groped-and-abused-lgsds97h8

She added that “at least 10% of the list was trans” but people were unaware of the others."

I have no difficulty believing that at least 10% of the list had the brass neck to put themselves forward or get others to do it for them. Something about different socialisation over a lifetime is on the tip of my tongue...

I'm not sure where I stand with pronouns for Nicci Take on Mumsnet given the fact the interview states it was a commercial decision to perform as a drag queen & with a female persona whilst having no gender dysphoria.

I presume I can use he /him should it be appropriate to any discussion?

"The conversation needs to be . . . ‘Why is there a list at all?’"

Right there.

Men's rights activism.

Why should women have any rights or distinctions because they're women.

So this is a fairly recent phenomena and already 10% are taking positions away from women. I wonder on the men's list whether 10% of them are actually female?

How do they decide which drag queens are eligible, given that most drag queens don't think they're women?

I thought it was a big deal within the 'Drag' world that females/women couldn't be drag queens?

Ergo drag queen = male/man

(this is not something I know very much about)

How do they decide which drag queens are eligible, given that most drag queens don't think they're women?

If the man says he's eligible, then he is.

Who are we mere women to say otherwise?

If the man says he's eligible, then he is.

Seems that way.

It does come down to saying, 'no!'

I can't see the whole article, but isn't Nicci suggesting that we shouldn't need a list? That we should be working toward equality?

We shouldn’t need a list. But we do.

Nikki probably doesn't see what is offensive about performing womanface to show how oppressed women are and lecture people on being nice to women, and how all these "top X women" lists are insulting and meaningless if they contain people with Y chromosomes. I'd rather have no fecking lists than joke ones where they can't find enough women for the lists.

Who are the other eight males on the list?

Has anyone actually asked the (mainly) men-identifying males who are drag queens whether they should now automatically be women? I thought some of them were banned from performing at Glasgow Pride because they were "terrible cis gay men" whose artform makes trans women uncomfortable?
This is crazy.
And 10% of the list was trans?
That seems like a slight statistical over-representation...

I can't see the whole article, but isn't Nicci suggesting that we shouldn't need a list? That we should be working toward equality?

Im not entirely sure what Nicci is saying, he (?) seems to be taking quite contradictory positions:

concludes:
After wearing a dress Take realised that she had always felt “disconnected” from masculinity. “I have always felt massively uncomfortable in the boys’ locker room when they are objectifying women,” she said. “All my friends are girls, all my relationships are girls. I don’t have any male friends.”

Since starting to present as a woman, she has been attacked once sexually and twice physically. “I’ve experienced all the stuff [women] have had to put up with their whole life.”

Once she was in a lift when a much shorter man entered: “He was staring at my cleavage . . . and he didn’t look up until the ground floor. I said, ‘You can’t tell I’m not a real girl by looking at my tits, can you?’”

Has anyone actually asked the (mainly) men-identifying males who are drag queens whether they should now automatically be women?

I read a very clear comment by a drag queen stating emphatically that a fundemental part of their performace rested on them being male, men, not women.