Video explaining how trans activists are appropriating the experience of transexuals

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By the fabulous Rose of Dawn

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=68&v=NU1PGxfEVe0

She clearly articulates the problem as I see it (from the outside, as a non-trans person). It's reassuring to hear this is how it is experienced by a transsexual person themselves.

This is one of the very good reasons why self-ID needs to be stopped.

What a terrific video.
I’m going to watch again in the morning and try to take in a lot more of what Rose had to say because she made some very interesting points that must be considered, especially on the medical front.

Great video and great description "Gender Radical" - now there's the truth about TRAs

She has also done a good dissection of the GRC and self id on YouTube and basically said there's no need to change things as she believes the current processes are needed to safeguard a person who wishes to trans.

"The only thing we have in common is a medical condition. That's why it should ring alarm bells when someone says 'trans people think...' or 'trans people want...' Trans people are individuals, not a hive-mind. The only time you can accurately say what a whole group thinks is when that group has an ideology."

Also agree that 'gender radical' is a good term - descriptive, indicates that it's a fringe belief, but not (I hope) an insult.

Erasing women's biological sex class by calling them "Cis"? That's insulting.

I am a woman. An adult human female. There is no need for women to accept any other term.

This is exactly the point. Very articulate. She's great.

How about a new acronym TARG Trans Appropriating Radical Genderist? I have a problem with 'Trans Activist' to describe those with this ideology (despite using it in the thread title). People think trans = transexual = people with a recognised medical condition, for whom we have reasonable protections under the law. The problem is this 'umbrella' which now includes everyone who rejects the stereotypes associated with their birth sex. I'm certainly trans by that definition, but I am not about to start proclaiming that willy nilly, because I am not a TARG.

"Gender radicals" is a good term. TRAs have been working very hard to push the idea that "biology don't real, there are 287 genders, penises can be female" is a reasonable and totally mainstream way to see the world, and "woman means adult human female" is some sort of bizarre extremist position. This is a classic reversal. Most people, when they realize what the TRA position on gender actually is, think it's nonsense. The vast majority of humans would be classified as gender critical (or what TRAs call transphobic) if they had any idea what TRAs believe, which they mostly don't.

What about "gender zealot"?

(I quite like TRA, which to me implies the ideology.)

Or "gender fan" to reference the love for archaic stereotypes.

I'm not keen on zealot or fan tbh. 'Zealot' is accurate, but too much of a direct insult, rather than a detached criticism. 'Fan' isn't negative enough - makes me think of sports. 'Gender radical' is both accurate and implies the extremism of the position - as in 'TERF'. No takers for TARG then?

Sounds like a species on Star Trek.

I tend to use "transgender ideologists" a lot.

I'll watch the video later so can't comment yet, but do agree with the above that TRA could have some problems because people think Transgender = Transsexual but don't forget it also includes "activist" and it's clear that not all transgender people are also activists. So I think TRA is pretty clear. Especially when you know about MRAs.

Transsexuals are rapidly distancing themselves from transgender ideologists, I think Blair White did years ago and did a great video "why people hate trannies" (her own words) criticising TRAs.

If transsexuals DO seperate from transgender people we'll need another new acronym
LGBT to LGBTSTG?

TARG for some reason goes TARGBORG in my head!

We will be assimilated?

(Fuck no)

I disagree with Blair White on pretty much everything politically, but you know what strikes me on every video I've seen? Blair is a fairly happy person precisely because of accepting the reality of what being transsexual means rather than fighting against it via increasingly strained ideology. I've seen Blair joke around with the boyfriend and show him old pre-transition photos. That a person who's comfortable with themselves and their past.

Maybe some of the TRA should try it.

So I think TRA is pretty clear. Especially when you know about MRAs.

Yes. Me too.

I saw someone earlier saying "fanatic" rather than "zealot".

To me, extremist transactivism has more in common with religious fundamentalism than any coherent political philosophy so terms with a religious connotation make sense to me. For example - misgendering = blasphemy, and legislating to make misgendering illegal = theocratic law.

(None of the above has anything to do with my view of dysphoric people accessing medical treatment to ease their distress, who I support and who should be protected from discrimination.)

Oh god yes and 'resistance is futile'
Fanatic yes....fanatic makes sense. ...or gender extremist?

How about gender worshiper? Fits into the inner soul bullshit nicely.

I've been thinking about this over the past few days, and either 'gender extremist', or 'gender ideologist' feel suitably accurate descriptors that work without being overtly insulting. So far in the 'debate', I've mostly referred to TRAs, but I've always had reservations - not attempting to speak for others, but I'd personally happily campaign alongside trans-identified people for additional spaces & services that meet their unique needs, ensure their right to safety & dignity etc (NEVER at the expense of women's & girls sex-segregated spaces & services), and by defining my opponents as 'trans rights activists', it cedes philosophical ground that allows them to paint us as discriminatory bigots who are opposed to trans-id'd people being accorded even basic human rights - that old trope that we're trying to erase them etc.

Kalikan YY Nothing wrong with campaigning for trans people. Since when was being an activist a negative thing? And I want to emphasise the appropriation of the experiences of transsexual people. They call themselves trans, but have broadened the definition of trans so far that it probably encompasses most people. Certainly most on this board. If you don't feel you have a gender identity, then you would be defined as 'agender', which comes under the trans umbrella.

It really is like a bunch of white kids defining themselves as black and calling us bigots for pointing out that they are not! Except being trans isn't visible (I don't mean it isn't real. It is real, but it affects a very small number of people) - and they are getting away with it.