"Woman" caught with extreme animal porn collection

[Scrumplestiltskin]

Wendy Jones, 54, could be seen celebrating as she left Liverpool Crown Court, where it was revealed she owned images of women having sex with horses, dogs and a pig, which she had been amassing for four years.
The court heard how Jones’ former partner, Kay Davies, reported her to the police after she showed her a photo of a young girl and and a man engaged in a sex act.
This is, of course, not a woman, but a transgender male, as the photos make evident. But if Jones is legally female, then their crimes will be added to the female statistics. And without the photos, there would have been no way to tell that Jones was transgender, as the article makes no mention of it.
How many sick, perverted crimes will be (and already are,) attributed to women, when they're actually committed by transgender males? And how is this right or fair? It makes me so furious
metro.co.uk/2017/07/28/woman-caught-with-extreme-animal-porn-collection-celebrates-after-avoiding-jail-6814335/#ixzz4oNGJomIX

[TheDinnerWitch]

How do you know whether this person is a male-to-female trans or female-to-male trans? Maybe it's just a woman who likes to look/dress like a man? Where have you got your info from?

[Scrumplestiltskin]

Did you not see the photographs? Jones is clearly a male person.

But your comment illustrates the issue perfectly.

[Scrumplestiltskin]

Also, a bit of hunting shows that Jones's local Facebook group has the article up, and people who know them are saying Jones's name was Andy, etc. Deffo a male.

[JigglyTuff]

For those who can't be bothered to read the linked article - this is Wendy Jones

[GahBuggerit]

Jesus, normally the news has the decency to at least make a reference to the fact that they are a TW

That is absolutely a man, no question. Frightening isn't it, this will happen a lot more.

[Cocklodger]

Just fucking wonderful.

[JigglyTuff]

A paedophile whose crimes are being recorded as being committed by a woman. Thanks Maria Miller. Your Gender Bill is already damaging women

[Scrumplestiltskin]

According to this thread on twitter, it would have been illegal to refer to Jones as a man, or even a trans woman.
This silencing is really worrying
mobile.twitter.com/LivEchoCourt/status/891313910875344897

[daisychain01]

For crime stats, they should place on record if the person has changed from M to F or vice-versa.

[catsarenice]

I must admit that having dipped into some of the trans stuff on here, I've been a bit - why does it matter if a trans woman uses the female toilets etc. But I think I finally get it. Especially reading those tweets from the link. Utterly baffling that 'she' has to be referred to as a woman and this will be recorded as a crime committed by a woman. Obviously there are far worse implications to this but I can't help thinking that criminal profiling is going to get a lot harder...

[IdentifiesAsYoda]

So it's coming; an increase in sexual offences against men, women, children and animals, attributed to "women"

[SerendipityFelix]

It's not yet illegal (is it?) to state that Jones is a transwoman, rather than a woman, so why has the Metro not done this?

I am going to write to my MP. She is a female labour MP who wrote a sympathetic response when I wrote to her with concerns about tampon tax funding an anti-abortion lobby group, so has at least basic feminist credentials. Is there anywhere online that collects various reports of cases like this where misreporting of transwomen as women is clearly deleterious to meaningful data recording and therefore providing appropriate services for women? (i.e. if Jones had been given a custodial sentence and housed in the female estate).

Or any coherent group tracking the progress of the gender identity bill, as even though I stay abreast of current affairs (listening to Today as I type ), consider myself a reasonably intelligent person and this is an issue I care deeply about, I am utterly confused as to what is actually going on legally.

[Pawpainting]

Jesus, normally the news has the decency to at least make a reference to the fact that they are a TW

They really don't. For example the recent case of the "female" rapist. Without the photos then there was no indication that this was a male (aside from the fact that legally it's impossible for a female to commit rape, but a lot of people probably don't know that) Also, Claire Derbyshire, the "woman" who murdered her father a couple of years ago was in no way referenced as a trans woman in any article. Same with Lauren Jeska. And let's not forget the male rapist last year who transitioned after the fact and went on the run, "disguising" himself by simply not wearing make up and women's clothing and was described as a "woman dressed as a man" by the police.

It's been happening for years now but mostly going under the radar unless you know what to look for. It's time for women to wake up

[SpaghettiAndMeatballs]

Fuck me - I'd scrolled past this and the thought had gone through my head "oh, that's odd, that'll give the 'women do this too' crowd an example to add to the Diet Coke advert then"

This explains it though.

Christ. WORDS MEAN THINGS - I feel so tired that this actually needs to be said.

[BertrandRussell]

Interesting that nobody has jumped onto this thread saying "You're all vile transphobes"......

[jellyfrizz]

For crime stats, they should place on record if the person has changed from M to F or vice-versa.

They should not allow people to legally change their birth certs as sex is not gender and you cannot change your biological sex.

[GahBuggerit]

Actually yes Paw, what was I thinking?! I just recalled a couple of articles where they made a bit of a sly reference to it being a TW and totally forgot about those you mention. Yes we were all meant to believe one of them was a woman dressed as a man when it was infact just a fucking man

My blood is boiling.

[GahBuggerit]

And all those naive people who say "oh but what's the big deal with people being able to self identify to have their gender/sex legally changed"

This. This is the fucking problem. Coming to a ladies toilet near you very soon.

[Fairyflaps]

The newspaper is correctly following guidelines. If it had been brought up in the court case that Jones was trans, then it could legitimately have been reported, especially if it was directly relevant to the crime - as it was in Jeska's case.
Since it wasn't referred to in the case, the reporter and all others in the courtroom have been sat there with what to all intents and purposes looks like a man, being charged with a very male crime, and will have referred to them as a woman throughout - correctly according to the current guidelines (and according to the law if Jones has a GRC).

This has led to some perplexing reporting on this as well as other cases. For example there was the case of Jasmine Hill, who 'pretended to be an attractive teenage girl in order to entice young boys to send her indecent images of themselves'. Throughout the case and the reporting, Jasmine was referred to as female, although biologically male and not holding a GRC.

Despite it being flagged up by the British Psychological Society and others working with prisoners and sex offenders in the Equality Committee's trans inquiry, no-one in authority seems to be taking seriously the high proportion of sex offenders who are declaring themselves to be trans MtF. There are currently 11 inmates in Littlehey prison (a prison for male sexual offenders) on the transgender pathway. There are many possible reasons for this: the hope of getting easier access to women's prisons and the vulnerable women in those prisons; the hope that transition will lead those around them to perceive them as a reduced risk of re-offending; access to women's underwear; that in these cases the men are suffering from autogynephilia, a sex fuelled mental illness.
This is a very strong argument for some gatekeeping for anyone identifying as a member of the opposite sex.

[IndominusRex]

I've just started a new thread with the full text from a times interview with Maria Miller - in it she confirms that crimes should be recorded as being committed by the gender with which the perpetrator identifies.

[LastGirlOnTheLeft]

How can Miller not see the damage she is doing?? I wonder what exactly her agenda really is!😡😡😡

[Rumandraisin1]

One of the things that really worries me, as a lesbian, is that these MTTs identify as lesbians eg that article reads that a woman with a female partner has been involved in sick porn. As loads of male sex offenders are identifying as women, there'll be loads of articles about women raping/sexually assaulting women - It's going to totally reinforce the idea of lesbians as sexual predators and create a backlash against us when it's nothing to do with us.

[FurryGiraffe]

Worrying as the distortion of statistics is (and I agree it's very worrying) I think the most damaging aspect of this is for women in prison. Obviously in this case the perpetrator walked free, but we increasingly have violent male offenders, some of them sex offenders, being incarcerated with women. Most women in prison are there on short sentences for non violent fairly low level offences. They are likely to suffer mental health problems, have problems with substance abuse, have been victims of domestic abuse. They are an extraordinarily vulnerable group. And into this group of vulnerable women, we are lobbing violent male sex offenders. It's repulsive.

[Ohthegrandolddukeofyorkjellies]

Whilst the trans lobby has agenda has been pushing me pretty close to the brink - I don't think there's anyone left that I haven't written to and I'm pretty sure I'm driving friends and family away with my talking about it all the time - I was really heartened by the comments underneath the article by people who haven't previously given the issue any thought. It's predominantly - um. That's a bloke? It does give me some (limited) hope that people might just see a new bill for what it is.

[Datun]

The guidelines in that twitter feed refers to terminology, asking 'is it perjorative or prejudicial?'

Yes it IS both perjorative and bloody prejudicial - to women.

It doesn't take much to alter public perception. Especially in terms of violence/sex crimes. Society goes to extraordinary lengths to not link violence and sex offences with the term 'male violence'.

People are always surprised by the percentages. Time after time on these threads people will say but women commit violence too. And, of course, I don't disagree with that, but people are usually highly surprised by quite how gendered violence and sex offending is.