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usernamerisnotavailable Tue 04-Jun-19 14:23:33

Hi. I was looking at puppies online and just clicked on adoption in the website and an amazing 19th month old dog came up. Apparently the families second child has severe allergies. So they have made the decision to adopt the dog.

I'm due to speak to them tomorrow. Any advice on what I should be asking to ensure this is all legit? I have a 9 and 7 year old and this is a breed I know from when I was young (we always had dogs) and they are generally great with children.

Just wasn't expecting to go down this route, but would love to help this dog find a loving home with us.

Any advice v welcome.

Thanks!

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cherryblossomgin Tue 04-Jun-19 14:30:04

I would want to know. Where did they get the dog, vaccinations with records, where are they registered, any health issues. Are they spayed. toilet trained, how do they get on with kids, visitors and other dogs. Are they ok to be left alone and are they destructive.

I would watch how the dog behaves around them and you, also how they react to the dog. Have you agreed in a price?

BiteyShark Tue 04-Jun-19 14:32:06

I wouldn't trust any reason someone gave unless I knew them closely already.

At 19 months of age depending on the breed it might be still in the thick of adolescence which would make me suspicious of that being the true reason for rehoming e.g. a wilful possibly poorly trained teenager.

If that is fine with you then I would ask the following:-

1. Proof of ownership from a puppy and if a pedigree proof of KC registration. If they haven't had the dog since a puppy then I would be worried that's it's a poorly trained dog that has been made worse being passed from home to home. Again this may not be a problem for you but it would put me off.

2. I would want a full vet history and proof that there was no hidden health issues because this could be a real problem getting insured.

3. I would want to be able to see the dog and interact with it for a while and walk it on and off lead with the owners in parks with other dogs to check for any reactivity issues.

Rehoming privately does mean you won't have the back up of a responsible rescue centre if anything goes wrong. Are you sure you really want to go down this route?

mrsjoyfulprizeforraffiawork Tue 04-Jun-19 14:35:09

This is the sort of story you often see on Gumtree, etc and it seems puppy farmers, etc find it a good selling point so you feel reassured by the family/allergy bit. Of course, the story could be true but I would think it better to get a puppy either from a legitimate breeder or a proper rescue (they do sometimes have puppies as well as adults, though not always mentioned on their websites as available). Anyway, I am sure plenty of others will advise you.

usernamerisnotavailable Tue 04-Jun-19 14:35:34

It's 19 months old and family dog so bloody hope it's toilet trained. Up to date vaccinations but not neutered. They have kids so assume child friendly. Would have to suss that out at next stage of going to meet him.

So want to know

Where they got him
Family history
Medical records? Hips tested etc
Proof of jabs
Ok to be left alone for a few hours
Any destructive tendencies (they have described him as quite boisterous but we have very large garden and live rurally so long walks not a problem).
Ok with children
Are they a jumper? Likely to try to escape?
Confirm exactly why they are adopting him out

Anything else I should be asking? They seem legit but as I say, never gone down this route before.

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BiteyShark Tue 04-Jun-19 14:38:56

Sorry but I wouldn't assume toilet trained. I would also read boisterous as meaning very little training.

Ask why they haven't gone back to the breeder for rehoming or to a rescue center?

usernamerisnotavailable Tue 04-Jun-19 14:40:23

God that is my biggest worry. That it's stolen or it's history isn't legit. I couldn't bare to be part of that.

They have pictures of the dog very much in a family house setting. Children's toys and play equipment in the garden.

If they can provide proof of ownership and vets records that should be reassurance right? They say it's KC registered so I can check all that out.

Really good idea about going for a walk with them if we get to that stage.

Just really wondering if there are any key questions I can ask to make sure.

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usernamerisnotavailable Tue 04-Jun-19 14:43:38

@BiteyShark really not sure about going down this route. My family always got puppies from very reputable breeders in the past. This just really fits our family situation at mo (slightly older dog) and the breed is one DH will be happy have. As will I. And there aren't many of them (whole other thread). Also my DM loves this breed which means she'll have him when we are away etc.

So I guess it all seems perfect. Which is why I'm worried!

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BiteyShark Tue 04-Jun-19 14:45:23

If I was really going to adopt a dog in that way I would definitely want to verify vet records and speak to the vet to check for any possible issues. This is because I have seen first hand the cost of vet fees and if I tried to get insurance now he would be uninsurable so you don't want anything to pop up later on.

Another thing to check is the chip details and ensure that they are registered to the people at that address.

usernamerisnotavailable Tue 04-Jun-19 15:44:42

Great advice thank you.

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DogInATent Tue 04-Jun-19 15:53:39

Hi. I was looking at puppies online and just clicked on adoption in the website and an amazing 19th month old dog came up. Apparently the families second child has severe allergies. So they have made the decision to adopt the dog.

Be very wary of stories like this, it's a perfect heart-string tugger. Might be true, or it might be too good to be true.

Make sure that any registration is a genuine Kennel Club document (there are some dubious alternative certificate providers, whose certificates aren't worth the paper they're printed on). Check the registered owner on the KC document matches identification documents provided by the current owner (e.g. a driving license). Be aware that KC registration is not proof of ownership.

Ask to see what other documents are available, most dog owners have a file with vets bills, vaccination book, etc. Hopefully there's a receipt that confirms when they purchased the dog. Check the chip number on the receipt matches the chip number on the vaccination paperwork.

Meet them at their home with the dog. Keep your eyes open and check out the story - there should be some indication of a couple of children living at the address, etc. If they offer to meet anywhere other than their home, be very wary.

Take the dog for a walk with the current owner. Then go away and sleep on it. Go back the following day for another walk, and then make up your mind.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages Tue 04-Jun-19 16:58:48

I would bet good money that you haven't been told the whole story. Allergies are a common reason given when trying to rehome a dog but not wanting to give the whole story. It's amazing how many children develop allergies when dogs are in the arsy teenage stage...

I would be wanting to do all of the following
a) meet the dog in the home. See evidence that the dog really does live there - dog hairs in the crevices, toys lying around, dog has an evident bond with the owners, interacts appropriately with the non allergic first child. Keep an eye out for signs that the dog is destructive eg chewed chair legs or scratches on doors.
b) ask the owners to demonstrate the skills the dog has - you don't need competition obedience, but if the dog doesn't know its own name or can't manage a sit / down / paw then it's a sign it's completely untrained and you'll have a lot of work to do. Don't assume it's house trained; in any case, accidents are common in new homes.
c) take the dog out for a long walk, ensuring that the dog meets the most common triggers (eg strangers, other dogs, traffic); I wouldn't take a dog that reacts badly to these as from bitter experience it's somewhere between difficult and impossible to fix, and eternally stressful. Does the dog pull on the lead, is it allowed off lead, does it come when called? This wouldn't worry me too much as it can be taught, but it's part of the overall picture.
d) have the dog independently assessed by an APBC or CCAB behaviourist, or APDT trainer. They will be able to spot things that you cannot.
e) speak to the vet directly, and get copies of all medical records. In addition, get a check up to make sure there are no problems that have been missed / ignored. Get the chip checked at the same time.
f) find out why the dog isn't being returned to the breeder or rescue - good ones have a clause stipulating that the dog must be returned to them in these circumstances. Also be aware that KC certificates don't mean the dog came from a good breeder - it just means the dog is purebred, but the certificates are routinely faked anyway. Know the difference between the breed register and the activity register (the latter of which any old mutt is eligible for).
g) take the dog home for a three day trial (being aware that this is a honeymoon period, but hopefully any massive issues will become evident during that time).

I adopted a dog privately, and while I adore him, he did come with a few surprises. The first time I met him (on a house viewing for a flatshare) he appeared to be a sweet but energetic young thing with no issues. When I moved in it rapidly became evident that he was totally untrained apart from being house trained. When I started walking him I discovered the behavioural issues. 6 months later when I formally adopted him, I still got some surprises (eg microchip registered to unknown third party, vaccinations not up to date, possible health problem actually hadn't been checked by a vet...). Had his well meaning but totally clueless previous owner been asked to describe him, he wouldn't have been able to articulate his issues because he didn't recognise them. I have dealt with the problems because I had no choice, but it has been hard and he'll never be the perfect dog. I've also adopted small furries (where much less can go wrong!) from strangers and I've never yet got there and found the animal as advertised - including one where the picture showed a different species to the animal I was actually handed!

usernamerisnotavailable Tue 04-Jun-19 17:45:46

Thank you. That's so helpful. I will raise all of this on the call and take it from there.

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AvocadosBeforeMortgages Mon 17-Jun-19 07:40:19

@usernamerisnotavailable How did you get on?

usernamerisnotavailable Thu 20-Jun-19 15:19:07

Thanks for asking. We didn't go ahead. They found someone else. All your advice was really helpful. We're now going to look for a puppy this summer.

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